Track of both ships during the battle--from Wikipedia
Posted on 12/29/2017 5:25:50 AM PST by Bull Snipe
Captain William Bainbridge, commanding USS Constitution, engages HMS Java off the coast of Brazil. In a 3 hour gun battle Java is dismasted and eventually strikers her colors to the American Frigate. Java is to badly damaged to salvage, Bainbridge orders her to be sunk. Constitution's helm is shot away during the battle. After Java surrenders, her helm is installed on the Constitution. Where it remains to this day.
Is there a War of 1812 ping list? If not, would y’all be interested if I create one?
And thank you, Bull Snipe, for posting this.
Strikes her colors..
Surrender?
What did they do with the surviving British?
Yes.
Since almost no one knows that the Anthem was written about a battle during the War of 1812, the more we know the better.
Plus I don’t know much about the war myself and am interested.
I didn’t know it was about the 1812 War until my 20’s, I think.
I’m sure all NFL players know, though /s
From Wikipedia:
“Captain Lambert of Java was a well-qualified officer, having seen much combat during his service. Java had more than a full crew, having been rounded out while in Portsmouth; however many were landsmen still raw to service at sea, and even more damning to her cause, they had only practiced gunnery once without shot loaded in the guns. Still, Java was well supplied and manned, and would prove to be well handled and well fought. USS Constitution had an experienced crew manning a heavy frigate carrying 54 cannon: thirty 24-pounder guns and twenty-four 32-pounder carronades, plus two 24-pounder bow chasers.[5]
On 13 December 1812, sailing from Boston by way of Cape Verde USS Constitution, under the command of Captain William Bainbridge, accompanied by USS Hornet, commanded by James Lawrence, arrived off the coast of Brazil at St. Salvador. On 26 December Hornet was sent into the port to communicate with the American consul stationed there. On 29 December at 9:00 AM still out at high sea in search of prizes crewmen aloft Constitution sighted strange sails on the distant horizon.[6] Bainbridge initially was unsure of the disposition of the ships, but hours later as they drew closer he was able to discern that the approaching vessels were large and now assumed them to be British. To ascertain the disposition of the unidentified ships Constitution hoisted private signals (flags) at 11:30 AM, while the assumed British vessel also hoisted its signals, but neither ship made the correct counter-signal.[7]
Constitution tacking the wind made her way from the neutral Portuguese territorial waters with Java giving chase.[8][9] The following day at 12:30 PM Java hoisted her colors and ensign with Constitution hoisting her colors in reply. With the dispositions of each ship confirmed, Java with the weather gauge to her advantage came about to position herself to rake Constitution. Being French-built, she was comparatively light for a frigate and was consequently faster and more maneuverable than Constitution.[10] In reply Constitution fired a shot across Java’s bow with Java returning fire with a full broadside.[7]
Java started the battle badly out-matched both in terms of the experience of her crew and the weight of her broadside. Constitution, with her experienced commander and crew, countered by not shortening sail as was standard (this reduced strain on the masts thus making it less likely to lose a mast under fire).[4] By 2 PM both ships were heading southeast. The opening phase of the action comprised both ships turning to and from attempting to get the better position for which to fire upon and rake the other, but with little success. Bainbridge now wore Constitution to a matching course and opened fire with a broadside at half a mile. This broadside accomplished nothing and forced Bainbridge to risk raking to close Java.[11] Another broadside from Java carried away Constitution’s helm, disabling her rudder and leaving Bainbridge severely wounded; however he still maintained command refusing to sit out the battle. Both ships resumed firing broadsides but by now Java had a mast and sail falling over her starboard side that prevented most of her guns on that side from firing, which also prevented her from laying alongside Constitution. The guns that attempted to fire only managed to set the fallen sail and rigging ablaze.[12][13]
Constitution’s accuracy of fire and the greater weight of her broadside put the much smaller Java at a large disadvantage. Within one hour, after several close encounters involving the rigging of each ship getting entangled with the other’s, Java’s masts collapsed. During this encounter a sharpshooter aloft in Constitution mortally wounded Lambert.[14][15] Lieutenant Henry Ducie Chads now took over command, assisted by the captain in transit to his ship. Bainbridge used this opportunity to distance Constitution so as to make immediately needed repairs, taking approximately an hour. However clearing the masts and fallen rigging aboard Java had hardly begun when Constitution returned from repairing her damage and immediately took a raking position from which Java could not defend herself. This left Lieutenant Chads no choice but to surrender Java. Constitution hoisted out a boat and sent First Lieutenant Parker to take possession of the prize. [8][14][16]
In the battle, Java suffered 22 men killed, including Lambert, and 102 wounded.[3] Constitution lost nine men initially and 57 wounded, including Bainbridge. Some four or five later succumbed to their wounds.[17][Note 1]
In the course of battle Java was rendered a dismasted hulk that was not worth taking as a prize. Instead Bainbridge removed her helm and installed it on Constitution, replacing the one that had been shot away. On New Year’s Day 1813, two days after the engagement, Bainbridge gave the order to set Java ablaze; she subsequently blew up.[19][20][21]
Upon learning of the death of Captain Lambert, Commodore Bainbridge expressed deep sorrow for a commander he credited to be brave and noble. On 23 April 1813, Lieutenant Chads and the other surviving officers and men of Java faced the customary court martial aboard HMS Gladiator for the loss of their ship. They were honourably acquitted.”
Track of both ships during the battle--from Wikipedia
Honestly I have no idea but I'll take a guess at it: Threw them all in the brig or otherwise confined them, and put them ashore at the first opportunity? (Either right there on the coast, or navigated to Buenos Aires or whatever the closest port was and put them out there?)
Bainbridge took the survivors (close to 400 men)on board the Constitution. I have not be able to find out what he did them after that. My guess is that he probably took them to a Brazilian port and off loaded them.
“On 23 April 1813, Lieutenant Chads and the other surviving officers and men of Java faced the customary court martial aboard HMS Gladiator for the loss of their ship. They were honourably acquitted.”
From Wikipedia article in post 5.
From History Central.com:
“The Java was towing an American Merchant ship that it had captured.”
The Americans probably used the merchant vessel to handle the survivors of the Java.
probably, thanks.
Happy New Year to all!
Bull Snipe said that too.
It makes sense. Thanks.
That sounds like a lot of guys to hold.
Of course I have no idea what the size of ships were back then, in the different classes.
I would like to be on the list.
A recent NROTC graduate had his commissioning ceremony on the USS Constitution.
The conditions on those ships had to have been inhumane by our standards...
neat, have known a couple of sailors that did their reenlistments aboard Old Ironsides.
The War of 1812 could also be referred to as the Second War of Independence as more than a few British would have liked to see the results of the 1775-85 conflict reversed. While the USS Constitution had been built (1797) for commerce protection against the Barbary Pirates (1790s), she and her sister frigates, USS United States & USS Constellation, were the ‘super-ships’ of the time. Well designed to resist the gunfire of the time, they were armed enough to give any enemy pause while fast enough to out-sail any ship too strong to fight.
FYI: the enemy French ship in the movie, “Master and Commander”, is reputed to be a thinly disguised copy of these ships, USS Constitution et. al.
I understand that the young man’s father and grandfather
participated in the ceremony. Both are retired naval officers.
Ships are prisons, with added risk of drowning.
I wouldn’t last a week.
We have to admit, even the Toughest of us here have it easier than 90 percent of the world.
But we are resilient, Americans.
At least the older ones.
I pray the younger ones are too.
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