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As scarlet fever cases rise, baffled researchers investigate (UK)
CNN ^ | 11/27/17 | Sandee LaMotte

Posted on 11/28/2017 8:26:46 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt

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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

People dont take care of themselves now. Basic hygiene like washing your hands is falling out of favor. Couple this with an underclass of homeless and illegals who won’t seek care and the rise of old diseases is inevitable.


21 posted on 11/28/2017 9:25:53 AM PST by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

I am curious as to how many of the cases referred to in this article began as strep throat? I was always under the impression that Strep and Scarlet Fever were a related bacterial infection. Could it be that the antibiotics we once used to treat Strep are not working efficiently enough?


22 posted on 11/28/2017 9:33:33 AM PST by HollyB
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

I had scarlet fever as a kid.
Also had measles, German measles (rhubella), mumps, chicken pox, rheumatic fever, whooping cough,a nd just about everything else kids would get except polio. Course that was nearly 70 years ago.


23 posted on 11/28/2017 9:34:05 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Men stand up for freedom; slaves kneel before their masters.)
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To: BuffaloJack
BuffaloJack :" I had scarlet fever as a kid.
Also had measles, German measles (rhubella), mumps, chicken pox, rheumatic fever, whooping cough,and (sic) just about everything else kids would get except polio.
Course that was nearly 70 years ago."

Dang !
I'll bet you and your doctor were on a first-name basis, and you helped put his kids through school !
We are lucky to still have your around !

24 posted on 11/28/2017 9:43:24 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: HollyB
HollyB :" I was always under the impression that Strep and Scarlet Fever were a related bacterial infection."

I believe that is correct.
Sorta like and similar to the chickenpox leading to 'shingles' in later life
Shingles is an infection caused by the varicella zoster virus, the same virus responsible for chickenpox.

25 posted on 11/28/2017 9:52:06 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

These anti-vaccine people never lived through the days before vaccines.
I remember when a kid in our school came down with polio. They sent everyone home and closed the school for three weeks. When we came back to school we found out that someone from our class was now crippled for life and some kid in the classroom across the hall died.
I give thanks for vaccines and being able to receive immunizations.


26 posted on 11/28/2017 9:55:48 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Men stand up for freedom; slaves kneel before their masters.)
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To: HollyB
HollyB :" ..Could it be that the antibiotics we once used to treat Strep are not working efficiently enough? "

Getting to the second part of your question,it is distinctly possible that this the question that concerns modern medicine and pharmacology.
Bacteria seem to mutate and develop medication resistance to antibiotics at a much slower rate than viri, but changes do occur.
Viri are replecant dependent on RNA, which because of it's genetic simplicity, seems to mutate quite rapidly.

27 posted on 11/28/2017 10:14:09 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: HollyB

Yes it is (even says so in the excerpt).

I had Scarlet Fever at about 10 or 11. Don’t recall if it directly followed strep throat or not, but basically it included it.

Scarlet fever was the nail in the coffin for my tonsils. Doctor said remove tonsils. I was one of the oldest to have that done.

After that, never had a single case of strep throat again, whereas I had had them frequently. That was 40 years ago.

But, now they don’t like to do tonsillectomies!


28 posted on 11/28/2017 10:28:09 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: Bon of Babble

Oy. I’m sorry they guilted you into it. There are many ways to ensure nutritionally that your daughter would have, if ever exposed, only had a mild form of measles. And there are easy and good treatments too. I’m not afraid of the measles and I understand that there is a reason a tiny fraction of measles patients have severe sequelae. It isn’t chance, not by a long shot.


29 posted on 11/28/2017 10:48:16 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Interesting! You’re right- I very rarely hear about tonsil removal anymore. It was quite common once upon a time.

It obviously helped with you - that is good!


30 posted on 11/28/2017 10:48:51 AM PST by HollyB
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

My mom had scarlet fever as a child in about 1935. The doctor came to the house frequently during her illness. One day, as she was getting better, the doctor brought ice cream for her. Things sure were different.


31 posted on 11/28/2017 10:52:31 AM PST by jonathonandjennifer
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To: BuffaloJack

Most people who get an enterovirus get either a bit of a stomach ache or maybe a stomach virus for 24-48 hours. It is rare to end up with flaccid paralysis. That is the absolute WORST sequela from an enterovirus that exists. There are now ways to prevent a person’s enterovirus case from getting that bad.

The public relations for vaccines is more powerful for financial and coverup reasons than actual scientific discovery about the enteroviruses that can end in such a paralysis. Like a lot of subjects, the media is paid to report what benefits some, not all.


32 posted on 11/28/2017 10:58:22 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: firebrand
The incubation period for scarlet fever is any where from 12 hours to a week (other studies give a range of 3 to 8 days), which makes it very hard to model mathematically. There is also some evidence that the incubation period may also depend on the individuals current state of health at the time when he/she is exposed to the disease.

Measles for example has a fixed incubation period (onset of the rash) of approximately two weeks (other studies give a range of 10 to 12 days w/wo the rash). In my mathematical modeling class I used 14 days for the incubation period. My research project was a modified SEIR model that did a good job of mimicking empirical data. My model will not work for scarlet fever, because of the random nature of the incubation period.

In all honesty we really don't know the real incubation period for measles, scarlet fever, or many other childhood diseases.

33 posted on 11/28/2017 11:05:20 AM PST by Do the math (Doug)
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To: Bon of Babble

My sister and I had it back in the 1950’s. We were quarantined; I have vague memories of people dropping a box off at the door and scampering back to their cars.

I got out of it with a heart murmur which hasn’t bothered me over the years.

I’ve asked docs why kids don’t get it these days. Their response was that infections are likely to be treated early with antibiotics, so things don’t progress.


34 posted on 11/28/2017 12:25:55 PM PST by radiohead
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To: radiohead

I had it in 71. It wasn’t a big deal at all once I got antibiotics. Was a very sick little girl prior to the kick in of the antibiotics.


35 posted on 11/28/2017 12:31:58 PM PST by publana (Great reset button you got there, Hills.)
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To: publana

When I was in 10th grade, I got called into the office and told my Dad would be picking me up to take me to the doc for a very large dose of injected Pennicillin. My Mom had been hospitalized that morning and was later found to have bacterial meningitis. I had been with her the day before when she worked at the High School Polio vaccine clinic. No other cases in Los Angeles County or anywhere in Orange County. She recovered, and we never had a clue about the source.


36 posted on 11/28/2017 2:04:06 PM PST by Mjaye
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To: jonathonandjennifer
jonathonandjennifer :" ..One day, as she was getting better, the doctor brought ice cream for her.
Things sure were different."

Yup, doctors then had a personal interest in their patients
They were not then ruled by computer medical codes, and ObungleaCare (10 minutes for each patient).
The ice cream soothed the fever and the inability to swallow, so you just let it melt in your mouth to cool the fever.

37 posted on 11/28/2017 3:35:53 PM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: bgill

turd world with a lack of TP so they use their left hand? That kind of turd world?


38 posted on 11/29/2017 9:53:57 AM PST by Pollard (TRUMP 2020)
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To: napscoordinator

There is no vaccine.[1] Prevention is by frequent handwashing, not sharing personal items, and staying away from other people when sick.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlet_fever

It’s a hygiene issue. Most muslims don’t have/use TP, they use their left hand.


39 posted on 11/29/2017 10:04:10 AM PST by Pollard (TRUMP 2020)
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