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Will Microsoft love Linux to death? Shuttleworth and Stallman on whether Windows 10 is(tr)
Tech Republic ^ | Sep 20, 2017 | Nick Heath

Posted on 09/25/2017 5:29:29 PM PDT by dayglored

Full Title: Will Microsoft love Linux to death? Shuttleworth and Stallman on whether Windows 10 is free software's friend

If you believe Satya Nadella, then Microsoft loves Linux.

Under Nadella's leadership, Microsoft has a discovered a new enthusiasm for open-source software, leading it to join the Linux Foundation and build support for GNU/Linux directly into Windows 10.

Yet, in some quarters, there is skepticism that a company whose former CEO described Linux as a cancer could be reborn as a true believer.

The greatest suspicion is reserved for the Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL), which allows Windows 10 to run various GNU/Linux distros and software.

Stories about WSL regularly attract comments and Tweets referring to Embrace, Extend, Extinguish, a commercial strategy that a US anti-trust hearing was told Microsoft used to "smother" the Netscape web browser in the 1990s.

Opinion as to why Microsoft has changed its tune vary, from open-source operating systems being too popular on cloud platforms and on servers for Microsoft to sensibly ignore, to suspicion that this is part of a plan to undermine the use of Linux in the long run. But what do key members of the open-source and free-software communities think?

Richard Stallman is a free-software activist and creator of the GNU OS that forms part of the basis of modern GNU/Linux distros. He believes that Microsoft's decision to build a Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL) amounts to an attempt to extinguish software that users are free to run, copy, distribute, study, change and improve.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Hobbies
KEYWORDS: linux; microsoft; windows; windowspinglist
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This question won't be answered for a while. But the pundits will pontificate endlessly. Because that's what they do best...
1 posted on 09/25/2017 5:29:30 PM PDT by dayglored
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To: Abby4116; afraidfortherepublic; aft_lizard; AF_Blue; amigatec; AppyPappy; arnoldc1; ATOMIC_PUNK; ...
Windows and Linux, more opinions ... PING!

You can find all the Windows Ping list threads with FR search: just search on keyword "windowspinglist".

2 posted on 09/25/2017 5:30:04 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored

It will make it very convenient to get root.


3 posted on 09/25/2017 5:34:27 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (<img src="http://i.imgur.com/WukZwJP.gif" width=800>)
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To: dayglored

Cooperate. Coopt. Corrupt. Control.


4 posted on 09/25/2017 5:37:11 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck ( Socialism consumes EVERYTHING!)
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To: dayglored
So whom do you trust?

Richard Stallman                     or                     Mark Shuttleworth

5 posted on 09/25/2017 5:39:58 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored

Does Stallman wear a Che t-shirt under his exoshirt?


6 posted on 09/25/2017 5:45:02 PM PDT by Paladin2 (No spelchk nor wrong word auto substition on mobile dev. Please be intelligent and deal with it....)
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To: dayglored

Is Microsoft’s strategy to move into the Linux world, and do their own version incompatible with the rest of Linux? As they tried with Java years ago?

https://www.cnet.com/news/sun-microsoft-settle-java-suit/


7 posted on 09/25/2017 6:08:23 PM PDT by omega4412
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To: dayglored

Is Microsoft’s strategy to move into the Linux world, and do their own version incompatible with the rest of Linux? As they tried with Java years ago?

https://www.cnet.com/news/sun-microsoft-settle-java-suit/


8 posted on 09/25/2017 6:08:24 PM PDT by omega4412
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To: Paladin2
> Does Stallman wear a Che t-shirt under his exoshirt?

I doubt it. I certainly would hope that Stallman is bright enough to realize that Che and freedom are polar opposites.

As far as I can tell, Stallman's political beliefs are personal and are not part of his public image at all. I would be quite disappointed if he mixed politics into his beliefs about free software.

If you have an authoritative source (like cited quotes from Stallman) that indicates otherwise, please pass it on.

9 posted on 09/25/2017 6:10:38 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: omega4412
There are already a number of somewhat incompatible Linux variants. Granted they can (for the most part) run the same binaries. But there is a lot of variability and poor compatibility already. Microsoft's take on Linux support will doubtless generate some more of that.

Is it all part of a giant subversive conspiratorial plan?

Hell if I know...

10 posted on 09/25/2017 6:13:12 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored

Just wondering.

Stallman is old enough now to just work on maintaining the essence of his body of work.

I’m quite satisfied with Linux Mint 18.2 on a ~8 yr old quad core computer with a year old video card ilo on m/b video.

I have a number of Virtual Boxes to run the occasional flavor of Windoze as desired.

Stallman did well, on average.

I’m happy to be mostly off Windows and though I do have a Win10 VB, I never need to use it.

I may build one more Desktop with current “budget” hardware as my end-of-life unit...It will have Linux as the main O/S.


11 posted on 09/25/2017 6:25:11 PM PDT by Paladin2 (No spelchk nor wrong word auto substition on mobile dev. Please be intelligent and deal with it....)
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To: dayglored

Not Mark Shuttleworth. I’m hearing a lot of negative talk about Ubuntu as a result of Shuttleworth decision making in the past few months.


12 posted on 09/25/2017 6:26:22 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: dayglored
Stallman is correct, the only software you should run is software you compiled yourself. MS Windows is a black box full of crap and any 'built-in" unix will be a bastardization.

Besides MS did this same exact thing in the 90's, then pulled the rug out. They have to pretend to include linux compatibility to get some mainly server software ported over but it will end up bastardized #ifdef MS_CRAP

13 posted on 09/25/2017 6:47:46 PM PDT by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: dayglored

What is Neither, Alex?


14 posted on 09/25/2017 6:59:39 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: omega4412

They will invent, patent, copyright, and/or trademark “Linux”.

Or some devious legal twisting that shows that LINUX is infringing on MS, due to some obscure historical patent or ruling.

Do not trust MS.


15 posted on 09/25/2017 7:10:50 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (Brought to you from Turtle Island, otherwise known as 'So-Called North America')
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To: dayglored

“Embrace, extend, extinguish” has long been Microsoft’s policy for killing competition.


16 posted on 09/25/2017 7:11:13 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: dayglored

I ditched Microsoft and now use Linux Mint. Like a jilted lover, MS is now stalking me.


17 posted on 09/25/2017 8:00:29 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: dayglored

Mark Shuttleworth flew as a space tourist on Soyuz ™-34. Nice to have that kind of disposable income.


18 posted on 09/25/2017 9:18:21 PM PDT by NCC-1701 ((You have your fear, which might become reality; and you have Godzilla, which IS reality.))
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To: dayglored

Personally I think MS is focusing on cloud/Azure (which is where Nadella came from). Viewed from that perspective the embrace of Linux makes sense since they don’t care what OS you run in Azure as long as you run something and of course pay them.

I don’t think there is some nefarious embrace of death conspiracy afoot.


19 posted on 09/25/2017 9:22:35 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: dayglored

Linux developers and the administrators of some of the most well liked distributions, at least, have maintained readiness all along for the kind of move that some are suspecting. The same goes for developers of the tens of thousands of free packages.

Linux is amazingly easy to download, install and get running now—even Debian. Very automatic compared to the way it was during the ‘90s and very quick to get running.

And Linux provides all that I need, although I prefer NetBSD because of its extra stability, security and usefulness with more platforms (quite a bit of manual user configuration required). For security in running *BSD, though, most end-users might prefer OpenBSD for its ease of installation with even more security as a default instead of needing to add it manually.


20 posted on 09/25/2017 10:30:04 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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