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Reviewers give a giant thumbs-down to Windows 10 S
ZDNet ^ | June 20, 2017 | By Ed Bott

Posted on 06/20/2017 11:55:53 AM PDT by Swordmaker

Microsoft shipped a new edition of Windows 10 last week, preinstalled on its elegant and eagerly anticipated new Surface Laptop. How did reviewers react to Windows 10 S? Spoiler alert: They hated it. They really, really hated it.


Microsoft debuted its first true laptop last week, and the reviews were overwhelmingly positive, even downright effusive.

For the hardware, that is.

Microsoft chose to debut a new edition of Windows with the Surface Laptop, and the same reviewers who loved its elegant design and performance were almost uniformly scathing in their rejection of the brand-new Windows 10 S.

And rightly so. Whoever made the decision to debut Windows 10 S on this particular piece of hardware was not thinking clearly. This is an ultralight premium laptop, sold at a premium price. It competes with devices like the MacBook Air, Dell's XPS 13, and HP's Envy x360.

The Surface Laptop starts at $1000 and the highest-spec configuration costs a hefty $2200. If you're willing to pay that price, you want to run the full range of Windows software.

By contrast, the machines that will ultimately form the installed base for Windows 10 S are low-cost PCs designed for use in classrooms, managed by professional IT staff. (For an overview of Windows 10 S, see my two posts from last month: What is Windows 10 S? and Windows 10 S: Chromebook killer or the second coming of Windows RT?)

The mismatch between the hardware and software could not have been more profound, and the reaction from reviewers could not have been more predictable.

Here, put on your flame-retardant suit and read this sampling of reactions to Windows 10 S that I gathered from last week's first wave of reviews.

We start with Peter Bright in Ars Technica, who nailed the argument that Windows 10 S is not a good fit for the Surface Laptop:

The Surface Laptop runs Microsoft's new Windows 10 S: the locked-down Windows 10 that can only run apps from the Store. This will soon include Office. While the major thrust of Windows 10 S is education systems in the same kind of price range as the sub-$500 Chromebooks used by middle- and high-schoolers, Microsoft's hope is that the Laptop, and machines like it, will extend the appeal and reach of Windows 10 S to audiences such as college students.

These groups tend to be willing to pay a little more (hence the pricing being more in line with that of, say, the MacBook, MacBook Air, or MacBook Pro). But whether they'll be willing to live with the constraints imposed by the Windows Store is, well, less than clear.

In Laptop magazine, Mark Spoonauer called Windows 10 S "Training wheels I don't need," adding this tentative prediction:

Over time, Windows 10 S could force more developers to create apps for the Windows Store, which will ultimately make the OS more compelling, but I don't being locked into a stripped-down experience. It frankly feels anti-Windows. For now, I suggest upgrading to Windows 10 Pro, which you can do for free.

Raymond Wong of Mashable tagged Windows 10 S as the "one big suck" of the Surface Laptop, adding, "Students I asked all gave Windows 10 S's huge app restriction a thumbs down [but] upgrading to Windows 10 Pro will 'un-cripple' the Surface Laptop."

The editors of The Verge assigned two separate Surface Laptop reviews, one for each variation of Windows 10.

Tom Warren, who reviewed the Surface Laptop with Windows 10 Pro, dismissed Windows 10 S as "a new, slightly crippled version of Windows 10."

Dieter Bohn, who apparently drew the short straw, called the hardware "worth the wait" but had few kind words for Windows 10 S or the Windows Store.

[I]t ships with a new operating system called Windows 10 S. I say it's "new" but that's not really true at all, because the only new thing here is that 10 S is locked down so it can only run apps downloaded from the official Microsoft Windows Store.

That limitation has a ton of benefits: it means that Microsoft can vet every app that goes on your machine for malware. It means that those apps will follow new rules inside Windows that can keep them from chewing up your battery or hogging your system resources. It means that Microsoft can more confidently push out security updates and new features.

But the trade-off for all those benefits isn't worth it because the Windows Store is an app desert. Many of the apps you expect are either not in the store or -- if they are there -- are worse than what you can get on iPads, Mac, the full version of Windows, or even on the web.

Finally, like The Verge, ZDNet published two reviews of the Surface Laptop.

In her "non-reviewer's review" of the Surface Laptop with Windows 10 S, Mary Jo Foley acknowledged that her computing needs are unlike those of traditional hardware reviewers:

I have said recently that I believe I could live with a Chromebook these days, as I almost never need any Win32-only apps. The Surface Laptop proved my hypothesis was right.

For those who code, rely on Win32/legacy applications, want/need access to the Bash shell, the Surface Laptop -- as it is configured out of the box -- is not for you. For those like me who have few app needs and/or who can use browser-based versions of oft-used apps like Google Maps and Google Search, the Surface Laptop isn't a hindrance.

Anyone who has followed Mary Jo for any length of time probably wasn't surprised that she singled out Notepad (yes, the venerable, bare-bones Windows text editor) as her favorite app.

ZDNet's formal review of the Surface Laptop was nowhere near as forgiving. Chris Duckett called the default configuration "a trip on the Windows 10 S express you'll end quickly," calling out the biggest problem for ZDNet's business focused readership:

In the plus column for Windows 10 S, it boots quickly and adds security features, but for power users, the safety rails that Windows 10 S has in place can feel like restrictions. Not to mention that for enterprise, the ability to join an old-school Active Directory domain is absent, and only joining an Azure Active Directory is offered.

Well, you get the idea.

I can certainly envision customers who would benefit from a laptop running Windows 10 S. I'd love to hand it to a nontechnical user who just wants to use Office, browse the web, and never have to worry about browser hijackers and ransomware.

But the idea that you're going to get through four years of college without ever being asked to install a conventional Windows desktop app is laughable. True, the Surface Laptop includes the option to upgrade to Windows 10 Pro, and it's free through the end of the year.

Honestly, though, Windows 10 Pro should be the default configuration, with Windows 10 S available as an option for the rare user who truly doesn't care about backward compatibility.

If you don't believe me, just ask the reviewers.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: windows10s; windowspinglist
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1 posted on 06/20/2017 11:55:53 AM PDT by Swordmaker
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To: dayglored

Ping for your Windows/Microsoft list . . . watch out . . . this one may require asbestos underwear.


2 posted on 06/20/2017 11:56:57 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Swordmaker

I STILL can’t believe they CHARGED you for the DVD player software separately!!


3 posted on 06/20/2017 11:57:03 AM PDT by dp0622 (The Left should know that if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: Swordmaker

Can a Surface be loaded with Linux?


4 posted on 06/20/2017 11:57:52 AM PDT by Paladin2 (No spelchk nor wrong word auto substition on mobile dev. Please be intelligent and deal with it....)
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To: Swordmaker

Typical Microsoft-— more gimmicky sizzle than steak.


5 posted on 06/20/2017 12:05:07 PM PDT by tflabo
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To: Swordmaker

I am going to die with Windows 7. Tried 10 for a while and hated it. Unnecessarily convoluted. Hinders my productivity instead of enhancing it. Computer is just a tool for me. Like a car to go from point A to point B.


6 posted on 06/20/2017 12:05:12 PM PDT by entropy12 (Read my profile for how to really reduce healthcare costs & improve quality.)
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To: Swordmaker

Will Windows 10 S be the Vista of Windows 10?


7 posted on 06/20/2017 12:05:20 PM PDT by upchuck (... you might not be interested in Shariah; however Shariah is interested in you. h/t dogcaller)
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To: Swordmaker

‘S’ stands for sucks?


8 posted on 06/20/2017 12:07:04 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Swordmaker

Well, yeah, thats just cause Windows sucks.


9 posted on 06/20/2017 12:07:36 PM PDT by Delta 21
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To: smokingfrog

Shackled, Sucks, Stripped, Strident, Stupid.
It had better not be ‘Standard’.


10 posted on 06/20/2017 12:16:06 PM PDT by alancarp (George Orwell was an optimist.)
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To: Swordmaker

If I’m going to be stuck only using stuff from the appstore then I might as well get an apple or an android.


11 posted on 06/20/2017 12:20:38 PM PDT by JohnyBoy
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To: entropy12

>I am going to die with Windows 7. Tried 10 for a while and hated it. Unnecessarily convoluted. Hinders my productivity instead of enhancing it. Computer is just a tool for me. Like a car to go from point A to point B.

I’m using windows 10 only because of the better multiple monitor support. If they retro-added that to 7 I’d go back.


12 posted on 06/20/2017 12:23:21 PM PDT by JohnyBoy
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To: Swordmaker

Seems a good idea for Microsoft to have a product that provides strong assurance that you won’t get dangerous software into your system.

The fact that some users don’t want its restrictions doesn’t make 10S a bad idea. There’s the the pro version after all.

The best idea of all would be a computer + operating system that defended itself against dangerous software. What does Apple do about the hostile-software problem?

Getting back to Microsoft, how about an operating system that will not run old software (which is impossible to make invasion-proof). Actually, it’s the hooks into the operating system required to support the old software that allows for invasion. Am I correct here?

I love Notepad also. I have it up now holding a copy of some source code (it’s my “split screen”).


13 posted on 06/20/2017 12:28:38 PM PDT by cymbeline
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To: Swordmaker

I use an ACER Aspire notebook loaded with Win7 Home Premium - nobody but nobody messes with it - it’s what I carry on the road (or flights that is). No better PC.


14 posted on 06/20/2017 12:35:10 PM PDT by SkyDancer (You know they invented wheelbarrows to teach FAA inspectors to walk on their hind legs.)
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To: Paladin2
Can a Surface be loaded with Linux?

Probably, but at the expense of most of the touch capability.
15 posted on 06/20/2017 12:46:56 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Swordmaker

You can’t install nuffin on Windows 10 S , you have to use the junk in their store or pay an extra $50 to upgrade to Windows 10 Pro ,although you’ll get a free upgrade for the rest of 2017(LOL) and did you see the price of their new laptops ,they’re doing an Apple


16 posted on 06/20/2017 1:03:14 PM PDT by butlerweave (it's the children are)
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To: JohnyBoy
If I’m going to be stuck only using stuff from the appstore then I might as well get an apple or an android.

The Mac doesn't limit you to just buying apps from the Mac App Store. Apple recognizes that not all Mac apps are in the Mac Store. You can change a security setting and get the apps you need from anywhere if you choose. . . and then set the security setting back to full security again after you've gotten the app you want. Just be certain you know for sure that what you are downloading is clean of malware and from a known publisher.

As usual, Microsoft doesn't get how to "get it."

17 posted on 06/20/2017 1:07:51 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: entropy12

If they ever stick you with 10 somehow Classic Shell makes it look like 7 (mostly) and it’s free.


18 posted on 06/20/2017 1:34:19 PM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: Swordmaker
> ...this one may require asbestos underwear.

Depends. :-)

Not many FReepers have expressed joy about Win10S on the earlier related threads. Ping List post coming up....

19 posted on 06/20/2017 2:41:41 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: Swordmaker; Abby4116; afraidfortherepublic; aft_lizard; AF_Blue; amigatec; AppyPappy; arnoldc1; ...
Windows 10 S gets not much love... PING!

You can find all the Windows Ping list threads with FR search: just search on keyword "windowspinglist".

Thanks to Swordmaker for the ping!!

20 posted on 06/20/2017 2:43:01 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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