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On this date in 1968

Posted on 05/22/2017 10:44:35 AM PDT by Bull Snipe

USS Scorpion SSN 589 sinks about 400 miles SW of the Azores Islands while enroute to Norfolk VA. All 99 crewmen were lost. The Navy has never determined an exact cause for the sinking of the submarine.


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1 posted on 05/22/2017 10:44:35 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Scorpion_(SSN-589)


2 posted on 05/22/2017 10:48:35 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Ignorance is reparable, stupid is forever)
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To: Bull Snipe

Sunk in retaliation for the loss of Russia’s K-129?

It’s long past time the whole story of this incident (if there was an incident) was told to the public.


3 posted on 05/22/2017 10:52:59 AM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: Bull Snipe
I used to argue with this silly Canadian guy who was big on insisting that Canada (Not Britain, just Canada) had won the War of 1812. He'd invariably claim that the name "Scorpion" was never used by the US Navy again because of the "humiliation" of having the first USS Scorpion sunk during the war. I'd throw SSN-589 in his face.

I'd never mention that it went down, though.

4 posted on 05/22/2017 10:55:02 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Flag burners can go screw -- I'm mighty PROUD of that ragged old flag)
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To: CondorFlight
I have my doubts, given SOSUS was operational by 1961 and would likely have tracked Soviet subs near the last known position of the Scorpion. A more likely plausible explanation was the fact the US Navy did a "deferred maintenance" test on the Scorpion and it's likely that the ship suffered a sudden mechanical fault that caused its sinking, given how finicky the machinery on submarines are.
5 posted on 05/22/2017 10:59:46 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: RayChuang88

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/one-the-us-navys-greatest-tragedies-the-sinking-the-uss-18296


6 posted on 05/22/2017 11:05:50 AM PDT by rolling_stone (not this time!)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Well, Canada did route a US invasion and run it right out of Canada. So he has a point - a small point.


7 posted on 05/22/2017 11:08:29 AM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: Bull Snipe

The Navy has never determined an exact cause for the sinking of the submarine . . . or the Navy has never released the exact cause for the sinking of the submarine?


8 posted on 05/22/2017 11:11:55 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Bull Snipe

“The Navy has never determined an exact cause for the sinking of the submarine.”

Lack of buoyancy would cause it to sink.


9 posted on 05/22/2017 11:18:35 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: Pollster1

Last November, I interviewed a submariner who was aboard another American sub that went looking for the Scorpion. They stayed on station hailing the lost boat for three days. The Scorpion tragedy followed two other sub sinkings. One Russian and the other French, I think...


10 posted on 05/22/2017 11:28:20 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
"The Scorpion tragedy followed two other sub sinkings. One Russian and the other French, I think..."

... and an Israeli; three other sub sinkings.

11 posted on 05/22/2017 11:32:43 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Ex Scientia Tridens)
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To: Bull Snipe

Hogwash! The Navy knows precisely why both the Thesher and Scorpion sank. It was defective welds on the hulls done by workers who were being paid by the inch of weld. All of the Submarines of that class were cycled through the shipyard in Charleston SC in 1968 to have have their welds inspected and redone where necessary. They found that the original welders had just placed welding rod in the joints and welded over them to get more inches per day and subsequently more money. I was there.


12 posted on 05/22/2017 12:05:12 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illegitimi non carborundum)
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To: Bull Snipe

Some comments from the Submarine Museum:

On 15 February 1968, USS SCORPION (SSN-589) departed Norfolk, Virginia, for a Mediterranean deployment. The boat was fresh off an overhaul, but only emergency repairs had been made during that period so the boat could deploy again as soon as possible. (Because of the extensive requirements of the SUBSAFE program that had been implemented after the loss of USS THRESHER (SSN-593) in 1963, a full overhaul now took 36 months, four times longer than it had previously.) By May, SCORPION was on her way home. On the twenty-first, the boat, which had been unable to reach Naval Station Rota in Spain, her normal contact, for at least 24 hours, radioed her position to a Navy communications station in Greece. At that point she was about fifty miles south of the Azores. It was the last time anyone would communicate with the sub.

On 27 May 1968, SCORPION was reported as overdue. A search was launched immediately, but nothing was found. On 5 June the boat was presumed lost; she was struck from the Naval Vessel Register twenty-five days later. Meanwhile, an expanded search was launched. Using data collected from a listening station in the Canary Islands, acoustics expert Gordon Hamilton was able to identify what was believed to be the sound of SCORPION’s pressure hull imploding as she sank below crush depth. After analyzing that information, he recommended the Navy search in a specific area. Finally, at the end of October, searchers aboard Mizar, an oceanographic research ship belonging to the Navy, located the boat within the search area Hamilton had recommended. She had gone down about 460 miles southwest of the Azores in nearly 10,000 feet of water. SCORPION had broken in half; her sail had loosed itself from the main body of the sub and lay on the seafloor on its port side. The speed at which the wreckage had plowed into the bottom had caused the after-most portion of the stern section to telescope into the larger-diameter section of hull just forward of it.

The exact cause of SCORPION’s loss is still unknown and widely debated. Theories range from, among others, a “hot-run” torpedo detonating inside one of the boat’s torpedo tubes, to the overheating of a faulty battery inside a torpedo which may have led to a fire in the torpedo room, to a malfunction of the trash disposal unit.

What we know for sure is that 99 Sailors went down with SCORPION and that they remain with their boat, largely undisturbed, in the same spot where she came to rest more than four decades ago. The Navy has not lost a nuclear-powered submarine since.

“Crush Depth” = One reason “bubble-heads” EARN their “hazardous duty pay”.


13 posted on 05/22/2017 12:21:47 PM PDT by pfony1
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To: Buffalo Head

As a hull welder I presume.


14 posted on 05/22/2017 12:52:42 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: BlueLancer

Thanks.


15 posted on 05/22/2017 1:50:56 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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