Posted on 04/27/2017 11:37:37 PM PDT by catnipman
However, Dao is worth around $7 million more than he was worth prior to the incident and he can’t talk about it.
...
Did they release the settlement amount?
No, but the settlement was fast, very fast, and that is an indicator that United paid out very close to what Dao was demanding.
My guess is that United paid $7.5-10 million.
And so Dr Dao’s quick calculation into how to exploit the opportunity turns out to have been a lottery winner! Good for him. Not such a good day for his former profession but on the up side now he is out of it.
Failure to obey crew member instructions. 49 USC 46504.
Geez, Munoz initially didn’t even know they’d breached public trust. Wonder who told him...
United was 100% in the wrong up until the point that Dao refused to obey the orders of the flight crew to disembark (they were wrong to order him to disembark, but once they did and he refused, he was in violation of 49 U.S. Code § 46504, which comes with a 20 year prison sentence).
Again, don't think that I agree with United for removing Dao once he was seated on the aircraft or that I agree with the totalitarian situation that exists in airports or on airlines; I am merely stating that this is the reality in which we live these days.
The normal procedure for dealing with unruly passengers (to include those who don't obey orders) is to, when they are on the ground, call the cops and have them removed from the plane. If they are in the air, the procedure is to either restrain them until the plane lands (turning them over to the cops at that time) or to divert the plane and turn them over to the cops. We see stories on a regular basis of this happening -- most of the time it's when there is a physical altercation or a direct threat; however there have been some egregious examples out there (to include this example of when a family objected to being forced to watch a movie with "adult themes" in it).
When Dao refused to obey the orders of the flight crew, they called the airport cops on him -- at that point in time, he was in violation of the law. When he refused to obey the orders of the airport cops, the airport cops did what any cop does when you don't comply: they made him comply.
What all of us saw on that video was the result of refusing to comply with the orders of a peace officer (which, oh, by the way, is yet another separate crime on top of the one he already committed when he refused to comply with the orders of the flight crew).
If you are subject to a traffic stop and the cop orders you to get out of the car slowly, you're going to obey that order, right? Even if there was no good reason for the cop to pull you over in the first place...
If you don't obey the order to get out of the car, there are going to be consequences -- whether or not there was a just reason for the traffic stop in the first place. We all know this -- we all accept this.
If that same cop then orders you to assume the position and pats you down, whether or not there is a reason to do so, you are going to comply...otherwise there will be consequences. Again, we know this and we mostly accept this.
We MAY want to take the cop to court after the fact for violation of our civil rights, but the fact of the matter is that we're not going to refuse to comply in the instant, because there are going to be consequences.
I don't know of anybody who would disagree with the analysis of the traffic stop situation just described. But that is basically what happened in the Dao situation: United shouldn't have given the order for him to disembark, but once they did, he was legally obliged to obey that order. The only reason why that's not patently obvious is that there is a viral YouTube video and saturation coverage on all the news networks.
Frankly, I've never been a big fan of United, but since they decided to cave, my unwillingness to fly them is now extended to the point of being willing to pay extra or incur extra time to never set foot on a United flight again. (i.e., if I have to fly from BWI to SEA, I'll pay extra and allow several hours extra to fly through ATL (DL), DFW (AA), or CLT (AA) rather than fly through ORD (UA)). Because if they're going to be wimps on that, they're going to allow anybody else to push them around. And that's not good for safety or comfort.
One problem - that is not what the fine print says and there were FAA regs and Federal laws violated by United. Wonder how many zeroes were in the check amount.
Any so called dr. who writes opioid prescriptions to other queers for sex is hardly a good dr. This freak lost his license and threw fits like a child often in the business place. Why did the law officers not get sued? Answer, because the so called justice system is designed mostly to line the lawyers’ pockets with extorted money.
Sir, He did not violate 49 Us Code 46504... flight crew did not order him off the plane... Gate agent owns the plane and passengers till the door is closed and beacon turned on.. Gate Agent will go to jail as will the cops...Flight crew had zero authority.. hence the harsh statements from ALPA about the gate agents and United Management...
United did violate the contract of carriage Hague Convention for ICAO transportation rules... hence the quick settlement.
Doa was not unruly... nor a safety risk... not even close. he merely said no to an illegal order by the United GATE Agent!!! United under ICAO laws for passenger carriage can not remove you from a flight once you are seated, ticket scanned at the gate for any reason other than for your safety... period... over booking was not the case nor is moving flight crew a valid reason...unless you volunteer and are compensated... United did neither... United violated International Law and a Hague Treaty... Let alone enabling a beat down. Doa never volunteered nor was paid.. United had zero legal authority to remove him or the other three from the flight for any reason...other than flight safety once the ticket is scan at the gate.
United clearly made huge mistakes and will pay bigly!! United might even be sanctioned via landing rights to other nations because of this event per the International ICAO rules...Think civil rights in the 1960’s.. that’s when all the ICAO rules for carriage were written... to prevent the abuse of the black community while flying...removal from a flight for other than flight safety is a basic right per ICAO rules which US airlines all operate under via a Hague Treaty..
United will also pay huge sums of money to the other three people told to leave the flight as well... they had their rights violated as well. United will pay them huge sums as well.
Doa was a modern day Rosa Parks in some way, most likely by happenstance.. with International Law and Treaties on his side as with the other 3 removed involuntarily from the flight.
All issues aside about who Doa is or was:
United Gate Agents illegally removed 4 people from the aircraft to dead head a flight crew... legal options were to ask for volunteers and compensate or find another way to move the flight crew. Ordering paying seated passengers off a plane at the gate is a huge violation of the law.
United Gate Agents authorized the Airport police to illegally remove a passenger
United Gate Agents and the Airport Police violated the civil rights and committed several felonies on a legally seated passenger
United is going to pay and will pay a huge sums of cash to make this go away... It really shows that United employees and its management have zero understanding of its basic duties under International Laws and ICAO agreements as a passenger airline. I suspect the FAA even threatened to pull its operating certificate over this... what else is United not understanding that is so basic to operating an airline??? what other basic operating rules are being ignored?? The FAA loves to ask those big questions when events like this happen... been there... seen that!
Well maybe a few, but most of us recognize the stage was set for this mental case to rob another business.
Dao is a queer, a mental illness case. He sold prescriptions to meet up with other queers to vector diseases by fecal-oral transmission. This makes him a drug dealer and a huckster. He lost his license because that is a federal crime. How many times, you can contact a bud with access to his record. How many times he didn’t get caught is speculation, but habits are habits.
What’s worse is the lawyers filed some paperwork and also extorted millions from United.
It doesn’t matter if Dao was at fault. He and his lawyers were going to rake millions out of United. Dao is a queer and a felon, therefore he wins regardless. There was an elderly couple in Oregon forced to pay $135,000 to a pair of queers for not baking them a cake. To do so they had to cash out their retirement IRA. That is the justice network.
There primary goal was to get this story off the front page.
And I am sure the settlement included a non-disclosure so he cant do the talk show circuit and trash United.
I watched the video and I contend that he smashed his face on the armrest across the aisle.
The security guys had him under arms trying to drag him out of his seat and then all of a sudden, Boom!, his face hits the armrest. The security guys didn’t push his head or drop him.
So I think he was thinking payday for the get go.
“If you give me $10,000, I am willing to volunteer to take a later flight.”
For way less than $10,000, I can rent a private plane and be home in time for whatever I need to do. Sheesh.
Well said
Protecting the consumer seems to be low on some people’s list of priorities yet the consumer is a critual component of capitalism; no buyers, no revenue. Regardless of Dao’s motivations, we all may be treated better by the airlines... for a while.
Mental case or not... United was way at fault.. the other 3 passengers removed will be paid as well. Zero to do with Dao or the other passengers illegally removed from the flight
This has zero to do with Dao... if you think he planned this or took advantage of the situation you are clearly giving him huge credit for being that calculating... I suspect he just did not want to violate his parole agreement and want to go to work like he was supposed to..
If you were with no cause illegally ordered from your seat... punched repeatedly in the face then tasered... at age 69... would you just say United was right I earned it...well you know I have a past with all sort of issues that are embarrassing so I am at fault... I doubt it..
Dao and the 3 others were given winning lottery tickets that day by the United Gate Agents and Airport Police... Dao just had to pay a little more than the other 3 and added to the expediency of payment by saying no, I am not leaving my seat
Dao did not rob United.... United robbed him...and the 3 three others removed from the flight... Is Dao a less than honorable person.. yes, but that has zero to do with the crimes committed by United employees that day.
Sad your type just wants to focus on personal failings... I suppose you are so clean and righteous.. This make FR a shitty place by your wrongly placed bullshit.. I hope you are never on the receiving end of what those 4 people went through.. then again...maybe it would be a learning experience for you...and the rest of the world can pick a part your personal failings or your superior “morally” clean life you have lived in public with scorn and ridicule.. character assassination is just that... assassination..
Sound like fun!?? So when can we start on you and your character?
I wouldn’t have gotten off the plane.
I’d be really shocked and pissed too.
John 8:7 (KJV)
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.