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This is a continuation of an earlier posting on the Colt SAA that was proved to have been used by one of Custer's soldiers at the Battle of the Little Bighorn which I posted a couple of weeks ago. At that time, the Colt had an opening bid of $90,000 and an auction estimate of $170,000 to $275,000.

The auction is now completed and that US marked .45 Colt Single Action sold for an astonishing $400,000 with a 20% buyer's Premium, which brought the total priced paid by the buyer to $480,000 plus sales tax.

Just going over the auction results, I found the author of the blog missed one of the top 10, which would have dropped the Singer 1911 proof gun out of the list.

That would have been this one, which should have come in at Number 7 at $126,000:

Lot 1025: HISTORIC 1866 WINCHESTER CARBINE, CAPTURED AT THE WOUNDED KNEE MASSACRE AND POSSIBLY USED BY SGT. WILLIAM JAMES WHO WAS KILLED AT THE BATTLE OF LITTLE BIGHORN.


Estimate: $125,000 - $250,000 Description: SN 120168. Cal. 44. This Winchester was the subject of a video called the Curator's Corner at the Whittington Museum. Wayne Armacost, the Curator, described the gun as follows "It is very, very probable and likely that this gun is just an incredible part of American history that was lost at the Little Big Horn and recovered at Wounded Knee." This carbine has a very interesting history and the possibility exists that it did belong to a Sergeant William B. James who was attached to Company E, 7th Cavalry and was killed at The Little Big Horn. 7th Cavalry troopers were issued Springfield Trapdoors; however, it is believed that Sergeant James was carrying his own personal Winchester 1866 on that fateful day in June 1876. It is further believed that this carbine was picked up by a Sioux Warrior and later recovered at Wounded Knee in 1890. What made the owner of this carbine, Mr. Larry Nirenberg, commit to 14 years of research, in trying to tie this carbine to two historical events? Under the upper tang is scratched "Cpl. James", and stamped on the lower tang is the inscription "WOUNDED KNEE 12 29 1890". His research shows that eight Wounded Knee captured weapons included four Winchesters. According to accompanying letter from The Department of the Army, Rock Island Arsenal Museum: These weapons were given to J.W. Ellis in 1897 who had a museum in Maquoketa, Iowa which was disbursed in the 1960's by auction in Delaware, Ohio (Garth's?). Six of the eight captured guns, in 1897, had tags from the Rock Island Arsenal showing ownership by Chief Red Cloud, Crow Necklace, Poorbear, Sitting Eagle No. 2, White Tail and Broken-In. Various scholars mentioned in The Winchester Collector article believe the inscriptions shown and the overall aesthetics of this weapon are similar to other known captured Indian arms. There are no known Winchesters used by Troopers at Little Big Horn. However, there are privately owned weapons used by several of the Troopers known. In the archeological study of the Little Big Horn battle site, The US Department of Interior, National Park Service issued a report that has verified 47 different types of guns used on the battle field, including 44 Cal. Model 1866 Winchesters, though these were all thought to have been used by the Indians. No weapons were left on the battlefield as the Indians took them all. Interested parties should read the extensive and most interesting 9-pg research article published in The Winchester Collector, Summer 2006 and the additional documents provided by consignor in Provenance link found on our website. CONDITION: Good to very good overall. Markings, including inscriptions, SN, are all crisp and discernible. Bbl address is mostly discernible, but pitting obscures a portion as can be seen in photos. Stocks are sound and solid showing saddle wear, some wear and erosion, hand worn patina. Metal surfaces overall show old cleaning, brass has numerous small scratches, dings and dents with worn punch dot decorated design most prevalent as framed around SN. Mechanically gun is sound with clean rifling in bore. 51369-1 JS


1 posted on 04/22/2017 3:14:14 PM PDT by Swordmaker
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To: schurmann

Thanks to Freeper schurmann for the heads up to post this article of great gun porn for all of the rest of us gun enthusiasts.


2 posted on 04/22/2017 3:15:33 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Swordmaker

I’m surprised the FG 42s weren’t higher.


3 posted on 04/22/2017 3:27:14 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!)
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#9 – $92,000 This position is shared by two guns each sold at $92,000. Both are lever action rifles. One of them is a Henry model 1860 iron frame rifle chambered in .44 Henry rimfire. You can see that gun in the picture below:

Sure. Good luck finding ammo for that one.

4 posted on 04/22/2017 3:58:37 PM PDT by Rio (Proud resident of the State of Jefferson)
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To: Swordmaker
Not a Kel-tec mentioned anywhere.

/s

5 posted on 04/22/2017 4:00:47 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Beware of strong drink. It may cause you to shoot at tax collectors . . . and miss.)
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The listed #7 is just commented in the blog as a Winchester 1876 at $115,000. But the author's math is wrong as is his description as a mere Winchester 1876. This is a One of One Thousand Winchester Model 1876 in almost mint condition, which accounts for the high price premium. The actual price is $123,000, when you add the buyer's premium of 23% (which I just checked) on the $100,000 bid, rather than his figure. That makes all of his data suspect.

So the real, #7, the Winchester 1866 I posted above would have sold at a corrected price of $129,150. Sorry for not checking the actual buyer's premium and taking the blogger's calculated figures for granted.

In fact the actual paid price on that Custer Battle Field Colt SAA would NOT be the $480,000 this blogger calculated for it but rather it should be $492,000.

I suspect his price calculations are ALL off by a similar miscalculation. So let me provide the corrected final auction prices using the correct 23% auction buyer's premium:


6 posted on 04/22/2017 4:08:55 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Swordmaker

They are all awesome. Just want to say, the engraving on those 20 O/U shotguns is amazing.


10 posted on 04/22/2017 5:08:04 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

You’ll like these.


11 posted on 04/22/2017 5:09:54 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Swordmaker

Couple this post with the RIFLE
That was used at Little Big Horn
by hostiles...

WOW!


15 posted on 04/23/2017 6:19:17 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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