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Posted on 04/14/2017 7:11:42 AM PDT by Morgana
Posting all caps is a sure sign of diminished IQ
...just sayin
Exactly what does the word volunteer mean to you? In my world it certainly does not mean to be forced on pain of humiliation and physical violence if I don’t want to do the so-called voluntary thing. He was literally dragged down the aisle of that plane. Even sides of beef are handled better for heaven’s sake.
Reading the whole story both the pilots union and United are trying to pin the entire blame on the airport police, while United is setting the stage for limiting their exposure and pointing out the flight and plane are owned by Republic, not United.
First - the pilots are going to take a hit, the captain was in charge of the plane and he was responsible for letting people on to illegally remove a boarded passenger.
Instead of scrambling to limit liability, both the pilots union and United should be scrambling to fix the mess United is responsible for with their bureaucracay.
1. Get their procedures in line with their Contract with passengers.
a. Denied boarding means denied boarding - get a legitimate process for determining who can board and who can get “bumped” and implement it before boarding - recognizing once they are on the plane they have no right to take anyone off (unless the passenger violated one of the enumerated, contractual provisions in their contract Rule 21).
b. Give the gate agents more authority for increasing amounts for volunteers to be bumped - and streamline the process to go beyond a limit - create a hotline to the company to deal with situations such as this where they will need to exceed their authorized amounts.
2. Recognize their reputation for treating passengers poorly is more than justified, and that they are taking immediate steps to fix it.
a. Go the extra mile - proactively state that while they are in the process of a thorough review of procedures there will be no involuntary bumps for flight crew / employee transportation priorities - only voluntary bumps - for at least the next 60 days.
b. Priorities will go to ticketed passengers with assigned seats in making any involuntary bump for other reasons.
There are lots of things they can do - and they should not let another day go by without some concrete action beyond no longer calling on the police to remove passengers. Frankly, United’s suggestion that they won’t do that anymore is beyond laughable - they never had a right to call the police in the first place for removing a passenger not in violation of rule 21.
I don't think this was exactly how it happened. The story I've seen is that Dao and his wife actually did leave the aircraft, but returned to their seats after they learned that the next flight from Chicago to Louisville wasn't scheduled until the following day.
I always consider something like this a big red flag when I'm traveling on a commercial flight, and I'd never even consider doing this myself. I'm always sensitive to this sort of thing from hearing stories about flights facing lengthy delays because of what is deemed an "unauthorized entry" to the aircraft.
There are all kinds of problems here that could easily have been avoided by all parties involved.
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Thinking and not following the mob? This won’t end well. There is a lot of this story that doesn’t make sense. I have searched and can’t find any information he was arrested after being removed from the flight. In this day, cops aren’t going to beat someone like they are alleging and let him walk away.
Very nicely put. A great analogy.
The pilots are contradicting your earlier claims.
The distance between departure and destination points for that aircraft is roughly 3 to 4 hours driving time. There was no reason to bump any passengers.
I have said all along that it was the cops who beat the guy up and dragged him off the plane. United did not do it.
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It was actually a Republic airlines plane. And one of the reasons for calling the cops in the first place is to avoid liability.
Ridiculous. Stop defending United on this! They deserve everything they get!
“I have said all along that it was the cops who beat the guy up and dragged him off the plane. United did not do it.”
It appears they were not “cops”. They weren’t even TSA agents.
Here’s the problem with the “United dint do nuffin”. SInce 9/11, if an airline reports you as an “unruly” it green lights actual law enforcement to go into full battle mode. United is aware of it so is fully culpable, especially when the customer is doing nothing illegal.
Not the first incident with the Chicago Aviation Police.
They’re unarmed and have a chip on their shoulder.
Every piece I’ve seen has Dao leaving and coming back only after he was beaten. Granted, media credibility is always suspect to me, but there is absolutely no excuse for the airline practice of randomly kicking off boarded and seated paying customers. There is no excuse for how those three security types handled the situation, dragging the man down the aisle like that. It’s totalitarian behavior and we, especially as conservatives, should never condone such.
Wow - and you're a FreeRepublic member for nearly a month too.. congratulations.
And apparently totally committed to throwing away all civil liberties too. How well would you have taken it if you had a place you had to be, a paid-for ticket and you're in your seat and they pick you "randomly" to be kicked off the plane? Then some minimum wage renta-cops come to break your nose if you try to stand for your rights as a citizen and a paying customer?
You'd just fold up, apologize for dirtying their fists with your blood and get off the plane, wouldn't you?
Idiot.
If the passenger left the aircraft and then returned to his seat as I’ve seen reported, then he probably violated a number of protocols that made him an “unruly” passenger without even knowing it.
All caps - really?
You make aspersions to Freepers IQ for not understanding the situation your way. Wrong analysis - please consider actual facts.
The airline in fact did not “overbook.” In the words of United’s own CEO
“On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United’s gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.”
United backed off its own initial excuses about being oversold days ago.
United has choices about how it does its business. Its first priority should be to its paying passengers. If it has a problem, its solution is not to remove passengers from the plane under threat of force. It simply needed to up the amount offered until someone was willing to take the delay. The obstacles to increasing the offer was United procedures and limitations on gate workers authorizations. Their problem. Passengers also have responsibilities they need to attend to - some cannot be delayed. Let the free market decide - passengers paid for their tickets and if United wants them back, they have to buy them back.
United management is the drama queen. When peaceful paying passengers don’t willing give up their paid for seats to their employees, they arrange to have their passengers beaten to the point of having a concussion.
And then we find out that he was treated at a Chicago hospital.
It’s totalitarian behavior and we, especially as conservatives, should never condone such.
I would usually agree with that, but as I've said before ... by the time you sit down in a seat on a commercial flight you've already gone through the kind of disgraceful, intrusive sh!t that most people ought to find repulsive. In other words, it goes with the territory -- and the best conservative response is to avoid it entirely.
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