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Every 200 years California suffers a storm of biblical proportions — this year’s rains are just...
The Verge ^ | Feb 21, 2017, 11:15am EST | Rachel Becker

Posted on 02/21/2017 10:02:22 AM PST by BenLurkin

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To: Sacajaweau

Back in the day when people dressed nicely.


21 posted on 02/21/2017 10:28:38 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Sacajaweau
❄️🌨☃. We're in the north valleys. Big yeller thing out now but still snowing.
22 posted on 02/21/2017 10:31:13 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: w1andsodidwe

I think it was a bit overhyped, but it looks like a number of mountain communities along the coast and in the Sierras got over 10 inches total.

http://water.weather.gov/precip/


23 posted on 02/21/2017 10:34:52 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: BenLurkin

If we were smart here in California, we would’ve used the impetus of climate hysteria over drought (which makes no sense anyways because a warmer climate is a wetter climate, but to humor the argument) to build more water infrastructure so that more of the billions of gallons of water now flowing out to sea could be captured and used during dry times, but alas we are not smart as a state. Better to spend that money providing legal services to illegal aliens . . .


24 posted on 02/21/2017 10:37:44 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Behind the Blue Wall
Yes I know that there was more rain at upper elevations, but my search has not yet found such huge amounts. That said the dams I am most concerned with have gone up a little. Camanche stands at 91% up from 90% and Pardee above it stands at 102% up from 100%. Today's inflows should tell the story. If Camanche has to start dumping it may affect me as I live on the banks of the Mokulumne River, but in the high part of town.

They were holding Camanche at about 70% until Oroville problems. My guess is that they stopped dumping because of the impact on the Delta of Oroville. The Cousumnes has also been flooding into Delta. Mokulumne has pretty much been held at high but below flood stage except for a brief period a few weeks ago.

25 posted on 02/21/2017 10:47:14 AM PST by w1andsodidwe (TRUMP. He makes me smile, too.)
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To: BenLurkin

This is not surprising. The Oroville Damn problem is a perfect example of the failure of the state and feds at supplying the funds and work to take care of this.

More than a decade ago, federal and state officials and some of California’s largest water agencies rejected concerns that the massive earthen spillway at Oroville Dam — at risk of collapse and prompting the evacuation of 185,000 people — could erode during heavy winter rains and cause a catastrophe.

Three environmental groups — the Friends of the River, the Sierra Club and the South Yuba Citizens League — filed a motion with the federal government on Oct. 17, 2005, as part of Oroville Dam’s relicensing process, urging federal officials to require that the dam’s emergency spillway be armored with concrete, rather than remain as an earthen hillside.

The groups filed the motion with FERC, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission. They said that the dam, built and owned by the state of California, and finished in 1968, did not meet modern safety standards because in the event of extreme rain and flooding, fast-rising water would overwhelm the main concrete spillway, then flow down the emergency spillway, and that could cause heavy erosion that would create flooding for communities downstream, but also could cause a failure, known as “loss of crest control.” “A loss of crest control could not only cause additional damage to project lands and facilities but also cause damages and threaten lives in the protected floodplain downstream,” the groups wrote.

FERC rejected that request, however, after the state Department of Water Resources, and the water agencies that would likely have had to pay the bill for the upgrades, said they were unnecessary. Those agencies included the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California, which provides water to 19 million people in Los Angeles, San Diego and other areas, along with the State Water Contractors, an association of 27 agencies that buy water from the state of California through the State Water Project. The association includes the Metropolitan Water District, Kern County Water Agency, the Santa Clara Valley Water District and the Alameda County Water District. Because of their reports, federal officials at the time said that the emergency spillway was designed to handle 350,000 cubic feet per second and the concerns were overblown.

It is thinking like this, and applying pressure upon lack of completion of commitments based upon available funds, and the state government not stepping in with pressure being applied to agencies that could have assisted the problem long ago, that has them in the position they are currently in. An ounce of prevention could have alleviated a pound of cure.

red


26 posted on 02/21/2017 10:47:35 AM PST by Redwood71
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To: BenLurkin

Biblical proportions my Asspertame! Unless of course you ignore the drought ending rains of the 80’s and 90’s, and the floods of 1825, 1850,1861,1909,1933,1937...........Such hyperbole, OMG we are all gonna die, die die!!!! Next up in spring, when the snow melts into the full reservoirs, we are all gonna die die die!!! And please be prepared for the summer when the threat of a major earthquake scare screams we are all gonna die die die!!! And then we have the asteroids, and disease, and oh yeah, zombies!


27 posted on 02/21/2017 10:49:01 AM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: BenLurkin
Every 200 years California suffers a storm of biblical proportions — this year’s rains are just...

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28 posted on 02/21/2017 10:51:51 AM PST by publius911 (I SUPPORT MY PRESIDENT!!!)
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To: Sacajaweau
So what...200 years ago, there were no dams and 3 people lived in that area....and likely lived on a hill.

Ummmm.... NO.

Read the stuff at the links above. A little knowledge might help...

29 posted on 02/21/2017 10:54:59 AM PST by publius911 (I SUPPORT MY PRESIDENT!!!)
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To: smokingfrog

LOL. Good one.


30 posted on 02/21/2017 10:58:39 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it. - Clint Eastwood)
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To: stylin19a
back in the mid 80’s, we had a storm with flooding nobody had seen before..so the MSM called it a once in a lifetime event, hence, a hundred year flood.

The next year, we had a flood that was worse...

Oh I remember that one. I was in it in Novato, California. Only time in my life I've been in a minor flood. I had to open the side door, as well as the garage door itself to reduce the amount actually trying go through the house.
Had a few neighbors patrolling the street in canoes and row boats.
Found one of my plastic bins around 60# full of iron and steel tools across the street the following day.

That's as close as I ever want to be to a real flood.

31 posted on 02/21/2017 11:06:30 AM PST by publius911 (I SUPPORT MY PRESIDENT!!!)
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To: publius911

Excellent links. Thank you!


32 posted on 02/21/2017 11:09:42 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Redwood71

The effort by environmental organizations to get the downslope of the Auxiliary Spillway at Oroville hardened and the Main Spillway chute repaired failed because it was misdirected to the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) that only has control over the hydropower component of Oroville Dam. The dam is owned, built and operated by the State of California. Moreover, it is alleged that the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California (MWD) rejected funding any repairs or upgrades. MWD’s charter does not provide for it undertaking flood control projects. MWD is the largest buyer of Oroville water and in its water rates presumably should be the recovery of costs to maintain the safety of the dam. But that is mostly a state matter. Environmental organizations have a tendency to champion causes that attract donations rather than accomplishing much. Owens Valley filed a retroactive environmental lawsuit on the LA Dept. of Water & Power to get them to control dust at Owens Lake. Why didn’t these organizations take a similar action? BTW, there is no failure to provide funds to fix the spillways. There are billions of dollars in Prop. 1, Prop. 84 and Prop. 1-E water bond monies uncommitted that could be used to fix the spillways. The problem is that environmentalists are so busy focusing government on saving fish that there is no effort to maintain public safety (as we also saw with the San Bruno natural gas line explosion). Advocating for fish protection provides jobs for environmentalists, fixing spillways and pipelines doesn’t.


33 posted on 02/21/2017 11:10:59 AM PST by WayneLusvardi (It's more complex than it might seem)
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To: BenLurkin

All this rain is going to raise the sea level! Global raining! Where’s algore? lol


34 posted on 02/21/2017 11:16:38 AM PST by US_MilitaryRules (I'm not tired of Winning yet! Please, continue on!)
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To: publius911
back in the mid 80’s, we had a storm with flooding nobody had seen before..so the MSM called it a once in a lifetime event, hence, a hundred year flood.
The next year, we had a flood that was worse...

Most regular people have no clue about statistical statements which can't remain static. Earthquakes, volcanoes and floods never have a regular schedule.

For example, if a flood occurs every 200 years exactly the "recurrence interval" is 200 years.

If a similar flood occurs once, then not again for 700 years, but four years in a row, the "recurrence interval" becomes also 200 years.
So saying "another one is now due" becomes meaningless.

35 posted on 02/21/2017 11:18:47 AM PST by publius911 (I SUPPORT MY PRESIDENT!!!)
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To: HLPhat

Put a dam at Martinez, CA and everyone can have waterfront property from Chico to Bakersfield.


36 posted on 02/21/2017 11:25:32 AM PST by ptsal
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Put a dam at Martinez, CA and everyone can have waterfront property from Chico to Bakersfield.

Luxury Timeshares coming soon!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salton_Sea

 

37 posted on 02/21/2017 11:36:38 AM PST by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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Whattttttttttt? I thought kookyfornia was in the midst of a two millenia drought because people weren’t paying their carbon taxes?


38 posted on 02/21/2017 11:38:35 AM PST by TnTnTn
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To: HLPhat

Put a high-speed boat from Gorman to Redding


39 posted on 02/21/2017 11:40:33 AM PST by ptsal
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To: ptsal
Every Luxury Timeshare owner, for an additional fee, will have unlimited access to the marina!

Act quickly! Reserve yours now! These won't last long!


An abandoned boat stuck in the ground, close to the west coast marina of the Salton Sea

40 posted on 02/21/2017 11:47:17 AM PST by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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