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MEDIA: "Obama birth issue was conspiracy nonsense, but Trump dossier scandal is totally legit."
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Posted on 01/11/2017 12:29:49 PM PST by DiogenesLamp

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To: Will J Diamond

‘birtherism is nonsense.’

Only the most ignorant people alive say this. The moment a person begins to learn the facts is the moment they abandon that vapid and uneducated idea.

Are you aware that there is no reliable evidence placing Obama’s mother in HI in the mos preceding Obama’s birth and immediately afterward? Instead of discovering evidence, Obama’s biographers have come up with a black hole in his mother’s history: a hole that covers the exact time frame of the pregnancy.

If birtherism is nonsense, you’ll be able to answer this question with ease. Why would the mother of a newborn [supposing she actually was in HI] undertake a long, expensive, arduous, UNNECESSARY relocation? Put another way, why would Obama’s mother abandon her family/support group, her house, her school, and the balmy HI climate to undertake a long, expensive flight to the overcast, drizzly, soon-to-be snowy/icy climate of Seattle, with the additional expenses of renting an apartment, paying a babysitter, and only getting four measly extension classes [for an entire years’ worth of work] to show for all the time, effort and money?

Be convincing in your explanation, and have some evidence to back it up.


41 posted on 01/11/2017 6:16:37 PM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Will J Diamond
Did you embrace your fascination with homosexuality solely on your own or did someone attempt to shove it down your throat?

You are obviously not old enough to remember "ACT UP" and "Queer Nation." Nobody went looking for these sickos, they got in people's faces and made themselves unavoidable.

When one must learn the nature of the enemy that one must confront, why not learn the truth?

42 posted on 01/11/2017 6:27:42 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp; Will J Diamond

You can’t talk to WJD right now; he’s hiding under a rock. I just asked him a ‘hard,’ question. Whenever that happens, he either scuttles off into the shadows to wait until he can pretend the question was never asked, or he says, ‘I don’t know.’

It seems never to occur to him that if he’s stumped by the most basic questions his theory presents, maybe his theory is a crock.


43 posted on 01/11/2017 6:34:03 PM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter
It seems never to occur to him that if he’s stumped by the most basic questions his theory presents, maybe his theory is a crock.

A lot of people get flummoxed by the point you made. Stanley Ann's Actions do not make any sense if you accept the official story.

They make very good sense if you postulate an alternative version of events, and one for which there is some actual evidence. Obama Sr. himself said that the plan was to adopt out little Barry.

44 posted on 01/11/2017 6:45:33 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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Exactly. The only practical way to get Stanley Ann to Seattle so soon after the birth is for her not to have delivered in HI. In that case [that case being that she gave birth somewhere relatively close to Seattle], everything falls perfectly into place.

What’s very entertaining, though, is to watch the “fair-minded,” people weave elaborate, fact-and-evidence-free explanations for the most bizarre aspects of their theory. In place of facts and evidence, they use the following equation: ‘If I can dream it up in my wildest imaginings and it props up Obama’s nativity tale, then it must be true.’

It’s incredible to watch.


45 posted on 01/11/2017 7:05:01 PM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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Exactly. The only practical way to get Stanley Ann to Seattle so soon after the birth is for her not to have delivered in HI. In that case [that case being that she gave birth somewhere relatively close to Seattle], everything falls perfectly into place.

Yes it does. It explains all sorts of oddities and contradictions in one fell swoop. (like why he wouldn't release an original document)

What’s very entertaining, though, is to watch the “fair-minded,” people weave elaborate, fact-and-evidence-free explanations for the most bizarre aspects of their theory. In place of facts and evidence, they use the following equation: ‘If I can dream it up in my wildest imaginings and it props up Obama’s nativity tale, then it must be true.’

It’s incredible to watch.

I'm seeing a lot of this watching various Liberals nowadays. They are absolutely melting down over what Trump is doing to them. I'm beginning to think he is going to be the Greatest President since Reagan. He might even exceed Reagan!

46 posted on 01/11/2017 7:10:19 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

‘It explains all sorts of oddities and contradictions in one fell swoop. (like why he wouldn’t release an original document)’

Most crtically, it explains the criminal tampering with the National Archives. Any theory that fails to explain the illegal theft of the records of foreign arrivals to HI for the week including Aug 4, 1961, is a nonstarter. That piece of evidence definitively reveals that Obama’s was a foreign birth.

As for Trump, that press conference was amazing. He’s now got the MSM divided, and trading accusations and condemnations with each other. I never imagined I’d see anything like it. They are running so scared from the term, ‘fake news,’ they don’t care who they trample in the process.


47 posted on 01/11/2017 7:22:21 PM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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As for Trump, that press conference was amazing. He’s now got the MSM divided, and trading accusations and condemnations with each other. I never imagined I’d see anything like it. They are running so scared from the term, ‘fake news,’ they don’t care who they trample in the process.

And did you see that trap he sprung on the "intelligence" briefers? To quote Abe Lincoln. "I cannot spare this man. He fights."

48 posted on 01/11/2017 7:31:28 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

I did see Trump’s intelligence sting. Very effective. The next intelligence briefing should be very ‘interesting.’ Very glad I’m not one of the briefers!


49 posted on 01/11/2017 7:35:15 PM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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Very glad I’m not one of the briefers!

I'm expecting they won't be at the job much longer. This is what we need. We need a purge of the Deep State apparatus. We need destruction of the Deep State, root and branch.

50 posted on 01/11/2017 7:44:35 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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+1!


51 posted on 01/11/2017 7:45:25 PM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Why is Will Diamond the troll still here, that is my question.


52 posted on 01/11/2017 8:20:15 PM PST by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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Why is Will Diamond the troll still here, that is my question.

I would guess it is because all the good trolls are busy feeding nonsense to the CIA and the Media. :)

53 posted on 01/11/2017 8:24:49 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

He’s been here long enough.


54 posted on 01/11/2017 8:31:56 PM PST by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: Fantasywriter

thank you


55 posted on 01/12/2017 4:07:45 AM PST by Maverick68
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To: Will J Diamond

If you feel the name ‘Obot,’ is a personal attack, there’s an easy fix. Do more on this site than defend Obama and CNN. Criticize both once in a while, and mean was you say. Like magic, the term ‘Obot,’ will cease to bother you. Try it. You’ll be amazed.

You are clueless [this being a fact, not a personal attack] re the nature of a support group. SA saw two friends in Seattle once. One changed a diaper, one time. That is nothing akin to a support group.

Here are the questions you can’t answer. Which member of SA’s ‘support group,’ met her at the airport? With which one did SA stay while she was apartment hunting? Which of the two came for a visit once in a while? Which one babysat occasionalky, so SA could have a couple of hours off?

Both Stanley Ann’s friends have been repeatedly interviewed. It shouldn’t be difficult for you to read the transcripts and answer these simple, basic questions.


57 posted on 01/12/2017 6:06:21 AM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Will J Diamond

You answered none of my questions—not a single one. Stop with the time-wasting dishonest/games, and address the issues.

SA’s friends in the area have been interviewed multiple times. Read the transcripts and answer my questions, or admit that SA’s Seattle ‘support group’ exists only in your Obot imagination.


59 posted on 01/12/2017 6:59:15 AM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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‘Stanley Ann ... returned to Seattle to be with her friends’

Here’s how it would read if honestly/accurately expressed:

SA undertook the arduous, expensive trip with a newborn in order to visit with each of her two area friends ONE TIME, and one time (apiece) ONLY.


60 posted on 01/12/2017 7:06:30 AM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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