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MEDIA: "Obama birth issue was conspiracy nonsense, but Trump dossier scandal is totally legit."
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Posted on 01/11/2017 12:29:49 PM PST by DiogenesLamp

Did you notice how the FBI, the CIA and the Mainstream media had absolutely no interest in verifying Obama's eligibility to be President, yet they seem to be bending over backwards to push this fake dossier about Trump?


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Obama got a total pass regarding real and legitimate concerns about his eligibility, and now they are attempting to delegitimize our President elect through "Fake News".

Try that on for a contrast.

1 posted on 01/11/2017 12:29:49 PM PST by DiogenesLamp
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To: DiogenesLamp

DiogenesLamp wrote:

“Obama got a total pass regarding real and legitimate concerns about his eligibility, and now they are attempting to delegitimize our President elect through “Fake News”.

Try that on for a contrast.”

Yep, MSM is pond scum.

Somewhat related:

Was 0 adopted by Lolo?

There’s an immigration file for a Barry Soetoro, which is an a.k.a. for Barack Hussein Obama; see

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2723118/posts?page=1491#1491

And

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3511021/posts?page=93#93


2 posted on 01/11/2017 12:37:12 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: WildHighlander57
Was 0 adopted by Lolo?

I believe he was. Back when I was keeping up with this stuff, I counted seven, possibly eight pieces of evidence indicating Obama was adopted by Soetero.

3 posted on 01/11/2017 12:39:00 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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And it wasn’t too long ago when the MSM doesn’t believe the intelligece agencies.

No way were the dozens of intelligence agencies to be believed reference WMD in Iraq.

But now every single MSM outlet dewmands unquestionewd belief in those same intellifence agencies that were not to be believed before.

Funny to watch the MSM clutchg their collective pearls when someone questions the intel agencies they did’t trust or believe just a few months ago.


4 posted on 01/11/2017 12:40:03 PM PST by Hulka
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To: DiogenesLamp

‘Pizzagate’ has mountains of circumstantial evidence yet it was instantly dubbed fake news (it actually started the ‘fake news’ meme.)


5 posted on 01/11/2017 12:48:21 PM PST by Vic S
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To: DiogenesLamp; Maverick68

Or as the brilliant Maverick pointed out on another thread:

“It’s funny: The Left would have you believe the complex conspiracy that a bunch or rich, old white men were responsible for 9/11, but something as simple as a lying politician faking a birth certificate is impossible.”


6 posted on 01/11/2017 12:51:26 PM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Brennan undoubtedly has a thick file somewhere safe with all the real stuff on Barry’s true background, the actual birth document whatever it is, his passport travels, his college applications and transcripts, etc.

Obama will have to suck up to Brennan for the rest of his days on this earth.


7 posted on 01/11/2017 12:55:40 PM PST by Meet the New Boss
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To: DiogenesLamp

I suspect a vengeful Obama had a part in this.


8 posted on 01/11/2017 1:01:00 PM PST by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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But now every single MSM outlet dewmands unquestionewd belief in those same intellifence agencies that were not to be believed before.

Obviously the difference is that they were owned by Obama instead of someone they hated.

Funny to watch the MSM clutchg their collective pearls when someone questions the intel agencies they did’t trust or believe just a few months ago.

Yup. They are just hypocrites. Unfortunately they are Hypocrites who control the airwaves.

9 posted on 01/11/2017 1:06:46 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Vic S
‘Pizzagate’ has mountains of circumstantial evidence yet it was instantly dubbed fake news (it actually started the ‘fake news’ meme.)

The greatest problem this nation currently faces is that the New York Liberal Democrate "Elite" have a monopoly on broadcasting, and *they* decide what the American public should be told is fake or not.

10 posted on 01/11/2017 1:08:09 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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“It’s funny: The Left would have you believe the complex conspiracy that a bunch or rich, old white men were responsible for 9/11, but something as simple as a lying politician faking a birth certificate is impossible.”

Upton Sinclair said "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!"

Or when their political preference requires them to believe something.

11 posted on 01/11/2017 1:12:00 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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Brennan undoubtedly has a thick file somewhere safe with all the real stuff on Barry’s true background, the actual birth document whatever it is, his passport travels, his college applications and transcripts, etc.

Obama will have to suck up to Brennan for the rest of his days on this earth.

At this point Obama has nothing to fear other than embarrassing his supporters. He could now produce a foreign birth certificate and say "Ah Ha! I fooled you fools!"

12 posted on 01/11/2017 1:13:28 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Vic S

“‘Pizzagate’ has mountains of circumstantial evidence yet it was instantly dubbed fake news (it actually started the ‘fake news’ meme.)”

It was ultra-important to the Fraud’s people to label that one as fake news, and many freepers bashed anyone who dared bring up this “fake news”.

A LOT of freepers are quite willing to believe without question Big Media headlines and stories as long as they’re not DIRECTLY* related to politics.

* Starting in part since the Second Coward President Bush, and especially since Election 2008, EVERYTHING is political.


14 posted on 01/11/2017 1:18:55 PM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: DiogenesLamp

He and his cronies will soon be unable to use government to protect themselves. He may be able to pardon them, but he can’t pardon himself.


15 posted on 01/11/2017 1:29:17 PM PST by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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He and his cronies will soon be unable to use government to protect themselves. He may be able to pardon them, but he can’t pardon himself.

I think in the next 8 years we will see a situation in which Trump holds Obama's ability to live outside of a prison, in the palm of his hand.

Obama deserves prison, and so do the people who pushed that Jackass on us through manipulation of the public.

16 posted on 01/11/2017 1:31:46 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

There are related crimes at play like filing false electoral certifications if it can ever be shown that Obama was born outside the US and knew it. He can start laughing at us fools after the statute of limitations has run on all of these.


17 posted on 01/11/2017 1:46:19 PM PST by Meet the New Boss
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To: DiogenesLamp
Trump should just declare that Putin "is just a guy in the neighborhood."

-PJ

18 posted on 01/11/2017 1:49:06 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

That is a GREAT quote! Absolutely pertinent.


19 posted on 01/11/2017 1:49:07 PM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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That is a GREAT quote! Absolutely pertinent.

Yes it is. I usually find a number of occasions in any given year during which I can use it.

20 posted on 01/11/2017 2:01:47 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Political Junkie Too
Trump should just declare that Putin "is just a guy in the neighborhood."

The existing media wouldn't find it very amusing.

He should totally do it.

21 posted on 01/11/2017 2:02:48 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Draining the Swamp absolutely has to include the media and Trump’s off to a good start. Expose the fraudulent journalists for the ideological propagandists they are!


22 posted on 01/11/2017 2:07:40 PM PST by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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To: DiogenesLamp

He told us he was born a British subject.
So without specifically saying so, he told us he was ineligible.
He relied on the GOP to make sure no one questioned him.
They had a bench full of ineligibles they wanted to run, Rubio, Cruz, Jindal, Haley and George P. Bush.


23 posted on 01/11/2017 2:14:11 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents)
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To: ManHunter
Draining the Swamp absolutely has to include the media and Trump’s off to a good start. Expose the fraudulent journalists for the ideological propagandists they are!

I love it. We finally have a President with the balls to backhand the media whore across the mouth.

24 posted on 01/11/2017 2:16:52 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
The greatest problem this nation currently faces is that the New York Liberal Democrate "Elite" have a monopoly on broadcasting, and *they* decide what the American public should be told is fake or not.

I remember a day when local media or TV media was owned by local businessman. Now a large majority is owned and controlled by very few people in board rooms on the "Elite" Wall St.

I hope we are able to break this up somehow and return ownership of local medias more to local ownerships. Media people are still very liberal in their views but they would be more receptive to local flavors of politics, to survive, than they are now (ours is terribly liberal-biased now).

CGato

25 posted on 01/11/2017 2:36:17 PM PST by Conservative Gato
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“The most insidious power the media has, is the power to ignore.” — Chris Plante, WMAL/DC.


26 posted on 01/11/2017 2:36:27 PM PST by carriage_hill ( Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Conservative Gato
I remember a day when local media or TV media was owned by local businessman. Now a large majority is owned and controlled by very few people in board rooms on the "Elite" Wall St.

I hope we are able to break this up somehow and return ownership of local medias more to local ownerships. Media people are still very liberal in their views but they would be more receptive to local flavors of politics, to survive, than they are now (ours is terribly liberal-biased now).

That sounds like an excellent idea. With thousands of different owners, the possibility of both sides getting access is greatly increased. Not so with these corporate monopolies. Too much government influence is wielded by the various wealthy cliques that own these airwave assets.

Surely these socialist advocates would be in favor of more power to the people and greater equality? Right? :)

27 posted on 01/11/2017 2:47:24 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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CNN has reported extensively on Obama’s eligibility.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=CNN+reports+on+obama%27s+birth+certificate

Page after page of reports.

They concluded what any fair-minded person would conclude: birtherism is nonsense.


28 posted on 01/11/2017 2:49:47 PM PST by Will J Diamond (The birds will still be singing.)
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To: carriage_hill
“The most insidious power the media has, is the power to ignore.” — Chris Plante, WMAL/DC.

That is certainly how they have done the most damage. Ignoring Hillary's record of corruption and psychotic behavior being but one of the latest and most objectionable examples.

Ignoring the utter filth and vileness that is the History of Obama is another. Ignoring Bill Clinton horrible past and history of molesting women is another still.

29 posted on 01/11/2017 2:49:51 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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CNN has reported extensively on Obama’s eligibility.

No they have not. They have glossed over all the essentials and played to the fools gallery.

They concluded what any fair-minded person would conclude: birtherism is nonsense.

The effort to tarnish those people interested in insuring the eligibility requirements of article II is nonsense. This effort as been "otherized" as "birtherism", but that is just a tactic to discredit. (It's supposed to invite comparisons with "trutherism" which is indeed crackpot nonsense.)

A fair minded person, having looked at the available information must conclude that the salient questions surrounding Obama's legitimacy have not been answered.

One does not mount horrendous efforts to hide a document if that document is straightforward in it's provenance. One does not present a demonstrably fake document if one has a legitimate one.

When you refer to as a "fair minded person" what you really mean is another mindless drone of the popular hive-mind, the sort that would ordinarily be regarded as an ignorant moron on any other subject.

When I speak of a "fair minded person" I am referring to an objective free thinker of normal or above average intelligence, and who is aware of the relevant facts.

Back to you.

30 posted on 01/11/2017 3:00:09 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Back to me? I have no response. And I wouldn’t want to keep you from your homosexual studies.


31 posted on 01/11/2017 3:03:25 PM PST by Will J Diamond (The birds will still be singing.)
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CNN has reported extensively on Obama’s eligibility.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=CNN+reports+on+obama%27s+birth+certificate

Page after page of reports.

They concluded what any fair-minded person would conclude: birtherism is nonsense.

The FACT that you trust CNN says a lot about you.

CGato

32 posted on 01/11/2017 3:23:17 PM PST by Conservative Gato
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To: Conservative Gato

I’ll trust CNN on a story-to-story basis. But to say that the beleaguered news network gave Obama a total pass regarding real and legitimate concerns about his eligibility is absurd.


33 posted on 01/11/2017 3:29:25 PM PST by Will J Diamond (The birds will still be singing.)
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I’ll trust CNN on a story-to-story basis. But to say that the beleaguered news network gave Obama a total pass regarding real and legitimate concerns about his eligibility is absurd.

CNN, as well as much of the rest of the corporate media, has proven time and time again that they absolutely cannot be trusted but yet you still claim to trust them???

Like I said, the fact that you trust them at all says a lot about you.

The only thing absurd here is you claiming to still trust these traitors of American freedom and liberty.

CGato

34 posted on 01/11/2017 3:34:46 PM PST by Conservative Gato
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To: DiogenesLamp

Well said.


35 posted on 01/11/2017 3:34:59 PM PST by carriage_hill ( Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Conservative Gato; DiogenesLamp

Sorry you feel that way. My initial response was to Diogenes Lamp, a freeper of heady opinion and one who is very interested in presidential eligibility and homosexuality. As he’s made clear here on Free Repubic, he’s been studying homosexuality since the 1990s.


36 posted on 01/11/2017 3:55:06 PM PST by Will J Diamond (The birds will still be singing.)
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Sorry you feel that way. My initial response was to Diogenes Lamp, a freeper of heady opinion and one who is very interested in presidential eligibility and homosexuality. As he’s made clear here on Free Repubic, he’s been studying homosexuality since the 1990s.

So what does that have to do with trusting news sources as you claim??? With CNN's anti-American, anti-liberty history, nothing should be trusted by them, ever, especially if you are here as a conservative.

You can trust them all you want but on a conservative site that absolutely has no trust in our corrupt globalist corporate media, it does say much more about you than you think. That was my point all along, not the deflection you claim from the other post.

CGato

37 posted on 01/11/2017 4:05:43 PM PST by Conservative Gato
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Back to me? I have no response.

You never do, but yet you persist.

And I wouldn’t want to keep you from your homosexual studies.

I'm suspecting that dialogue with you is useful to that task as well.

38 posted on 01/11/2017 5:38:43 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Will J Diamond; Conservative Gato
Sorry you feel that way. My initial response was to Diogenes Lamp, a freeper of heady opinion and one who is very interested in presidential eligibility and homosexuality.

Among many other issues of greater and lesser importance to me, but for some reason conversations with this fellow always seem to end up discussing the one thing or the other mentioned above. With Obama, I'm pretty sure the two things are connected.

As he’s made clear here on Free Repubic, he’s been studying homosexuality since the 1990s.

This is true, and i've learned quite a lot about them. One of the common characteristics of a certain flavor of homosexual is a tendency towards unnecessary drama.

39 posted on 01/11/2017 5:51:36 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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Did you embrace your fascination with homosexuality solely on your own or did someone attempt to shove it down your throat?


40 posted on 01/11/2017 6:06:46 PM PST by Will J Diamond (The birds will still be singing.)
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‘birtherism is nonsense.’

Only the most ignorant people alive say this. The moment a person begins to learn the facts is the moment they abandon that vapid and uneducated idea.

Are you aware that there is no reliable evidence placing Obama’s mother in HI in the mos preceding Obama’s birth and immediately afterward? Instead of discovering evidence, Obama’s biographers have come up with a black hole in his mother’s history: a hole that covers the exact time frame of the pregnancy.

If birtherism is nonsense, you’ll be able to answer this question with ease. Why would the mother of a newborn [supposing she actually was in HI] undertake a long, expensive, arduous, UNNECESSARY relocation? Put another way, why would Obama’s mother abandon her family/support group, her house, her school, and the balmy HI climate to undertake a long, expensive flight to the overcast, drizzly, soon-to-be snowy/icy climate of Seattle, with the additional expenses of renting an apartment, paying a babysitter, and only getting four measly extension classes [for an entire years’ worth of work] to show for all the time, effort and money?

Be convincing in your explanation, and have some evidence to back it up.


41 posted on 01/11/2017 6:16:37 PM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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Did you embrace your fascination with homosexuality solely on your own or did someone attempt to shove it down your throat?

You are obviously not old enough to remember "ACT UP" and "Queer Nation." Nobody went looking for these sickos, they got in people's faces and made themselves unavoidable.

When one must learn the nature of the enemy that one must confront, why not learn the truth?

42 posted on 01/11/2017 6:27:42 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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You can’t talk to WJD right now; he’s hiding under a rock. I just asked him a ‘hard,’ question. Whenever that happens, he either scuttles off into the shadows to wait until he can pretend the question was never asked, or he says, ‘I don’t know.’

It seems never to occur to him that if he’s stumped by the most basic questions his theory presents, maybe his theory is a crock.


43 posted on 01/11/2017 6:34:03 PM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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It seems never to occur to him that if he’s stumped by the most basic questions his theory presents, maybe his theory is a crock.

A lot of people get flummoxed by the point you made. Stanley Ann's Actions do not make any sense if you accept the official story.

They make very good sense if you postulate an alternative version of events, and one for which there is some actual evidence. Obama Sr. himself said that the plan was to adopt out little Barry.

44 posted on 01/11/2017 6:45:33 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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Exactly. The only practical way to get Stanley Ann to Seattle so soon after the birth is for her not to have delivered in HI. In that case [that case being that she gave birth somewhere relatively close to Seattle], everything falls perfectly into place.

What’s very entertaining, though, is to watch the “fair-minded,” people weave elaborate, fact-and-evidence-free explanations for the most bizarre aspects of their theory. In place of facts and evidence, they use the following equation: ‘If I can dream it up in my wildest imaginings and it props up Obama’s nativity tale, then it must be true.’

It’s incredible to watch.


45 posted on 01/11/2017 7:05:01 PM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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Exactly. The only practical way to get Stanley Ann to Seattle so soon after the birth is for her not to have delivered in HI. In that case [that case being that she gave birth somewhere relatively close to Seattle], everything falls perfectly into place.

Yes it does. It explains all sorts of oddities and contradictions in one fell swoop. (like why he wouldn't release an original document)

What’s very entertaining, though, is to watch the “fair-minded,” people weave elaborate, fact-and-evidence-free explanations for the most bizarre aspects of their theory. In place of facts and evidence, they use the following equation: ‘If I can dream it up in my wildest imaginings and it props up Obama’s nativity tale, then it must be true.’

It’s incredible to watch.

I'm seeing a lot of this watching various Liberals nowadays. They are absolutely melting down over what Trump is doing to them. I'm beginning to think he is going to be the Greatest President since Reagan. He might even exceed Reagan!

46 posted on 01/11/2017 7:10:19 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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‘It explains all sorts of oddities and contradictions in one fell swoop. (like why he wouldn’t release an original document)’

Most crtically, it explains the criminal tampering with the National Archives. Any theory that fails to explain the illegal theft of the records of foreign arrivals to HI for the week including Aug 4, 1961, is a nonstarter. That piece of evidence definitively reveals that Obama’s was a foreign birth.

As for Trump, that press conference was amazing. He’s now got the MSM divided, and trading accusations and condemnations with each other. I never imagined I’d see anything like it. They are running so scared from the term, ‘fake news,’ they don’t care who they trample in the process.


47 posted on 01/11/2017 7:22:21 PM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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As for Trump, that press conference was amazing. He’s now got the MSM divided, and trading accusations and condemnations with each other. I never imagined I’d see anything like it. They are running so scared from the term, ‘fake news,’ they don’t care who they trample in the process.

And did you see that trap he sprung on the "intelligence" briefers? To quote Abe Lincoln. "I cannot spare this man. He fights."

48 posted on 01/11/2017 7:31:28 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

I did see Trump’s intelligence sting. Very effective. The next intelligence briefing should be very ‘interesting.’ Very glad I’m not one of the briefers!


49 posted on 01/11/2017 7:35:15 PM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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Very glad I’m not one of the briefers!

I'm expecting they won't be at the job much longer. This is what we need. We need a purge of the Deep State apparatus. We need destruction of the Deep State, root and branch.

50 posted on 01/11/2017 7:44:35 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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