Posted on 12/25/2016 12:25:12 PM PST by LS
My kids took me to Rogue One last night.
Worst Star Wars Movie by far
Lousy Story Line, Acting, Editing
I always thought “A New Hope” was a parallel to the cold war, where the oppressive Soviet Empire wanted to invade and destroy the underdog (militarily) US and NATO. A new hope was needed.
Hans Solo was epitome of American, cowboy and owner of a hotrod.
Princess Leaha was your typical liberated female character. Not submissive female role.
Luke was the typical restless highschool kid who just got his drivers license, and wants to take on the world.
The Empire was extreme conformity, communistic totalitarian control, brutality and extreme centralized government, wrapped in the evil part of spirituality (the force)
Atheism (Solo) denied the evil, up to a point, until things get so bad that a clear good/evil decision has to be made against the easy choice.
Now ironically, as we fell into the collectivist evils of Obama over the last eight years, then the next movie, The Force Awakens, comes out, re-awakening all the old characters and issues.
And Trump is elected. Conservatism awakens.
No this is definitely not a movie series theme that favors the liberals because that would be to favor the totalitarians.
Thanks LS
I do a speech with nice slides about Star Wars and how Reagan was Luke, how the Evil Emperor was the any of the old Soviet Dictators (and I have a slide of Brezhnev & the Emperor & they are VERY close, so I go back and forth), then Gorby and Darth, but Darth without his helmet where he is pasty faced and has that red streak on his head, right where Gorby’s red birth mark is.
The students think it’s hysterical.
Honestly, either one of your views of Star Wars would have been much preferable. In fact, once upon a time, I had similar views as well.
...Too bad George Lucas had other ideas from us and he just so happened to be the creator of the franchise, and basically used the films to spit on America and what it represented, and worse, tried to paint terrorists like the Vietcong as heroes and... and... excuse me for a second...
(walks off. Clanging metal and glass shattering with inaudible angry shouts can be heard in the distance. Walks back).
Sorry, am genuinely angry at George Lucas for pulling that sleight of hand on us. Maybe if it weren’t for that revelation, I would still root for the good guys in the film (I do not like having to root for the bad guys, yet thanks to that revelation from Lucas, Murch, and Chris Taylor, I don’t have any other choice to do so, since it’s either that, or continue rooting for the Rebels even when I now know they are based on the Vietcong and Communists).
Well, I’ll be seeing Rogue One. Can’t say I’ll be rooting for the “good guys,” though (George Lucas himself already put a nix on that the second irrefutable evidence came out that he based them on the hated Vietcong, and NOT American Minutemen as I had been led to believe). At least I’ll compensate for a certain scene nearing the end of the film.
Either way, Donald Trump was definitely preferable to Hillary, and in that sense, would work as the Rogues, even if that clearly wasn’t what Whitta and Weitz envisioned.
There is a big gap between what people say and what others hear. Most people know Reagan was Luke & USSR the “evil empire.”
I read this without knowing you wrote it.
Halfway through, I was saying, “This movie critic knows his stuff. This is an enjoyable read.”
I read the rest, and went to look back at who wrote it.
It was YOU.
Well done.
Yeah, well, the creators of a work is essentially the work’s equivalent of God anyways, since they made it, and my views are essentially meaningless before them unless, and here’s the caviat, unless I do to them at worst what Wesker did to Spencer here (ie, forcibly take over via murder and upon assuming command ensure that my ideals, not the creators, are what’s used): https://youtu.be/Oi_6dix_718?t=63
Is it a very cynical and bleak way to view things, yes, but it’s the way it is, especially when the way I see it, especially given my experiences in school and college, you have to submit to the teacher’s will, at least until after you get out of the class, because your views mean absolutely nothing. My views only truly mean a thing if they actually reflect what the movie’s message is, per what the creator views. Thinking we had any real control over things is ultimately what led to us being cast out of the Garden of Eden when we thought we’d be God and decide right and wrong for ourselves.
No. Exactly the opposite. “Born in the USA” is sung in Europe and by many Americans as a patriotic song, sing few people know the lyrics beyond “Born in the USA.” Same with “Yankee Doodle” originally done to sneer at Americans but adopted as an “up yours.”
When the media called SDI “Star Wars” they did Reagan a huge favor, for it glamorized and romanticized a piece of technology. The culture decides who is “God” when it comes to how something is viewed. Same with “Hunger Games.” Because of timing and the Capital District (DC) this became a story of resistance to Zobama, while it was intended as a story about Bush.
There are countless examples. I don’t care if Lucas runs around screaming “no, no, that’s not what I meant!” It doesn’t matter. The public gets to decide what things “really” mean.
Thanks. Some here think it matters what the creator meant, whether a song or film. All that matters is what the PEOPLE think it means. They are the ultimate interpreters.
If people were the ultimate interpreters, we wouldn’t even NEED God. However, God makes clear that we if anything are insignificant compared to his infinite wisdom, so if anything, no, we AREN’T the ultimate interpreters of anything, not art, not history, not facts, nothing.
Besides, we would have killed each other just to ensure only OUR OWN interpretation is the one that’s factual. It’s what’s happened in history when various people had differing viewpoints. Why do you think wars occurred? Because of differing viewpoints. Why do you think the French Revolution had people slaughtering each other? Operating under their own differing viewpoints.
And BTW, this is speaking as someone who is very conservative, conservative enough to have voted Trump during the Presidential election.
God is “god” so please just stop. So, apparently you don’t get the argument so bye.
Yes, I know God is God, and he has absolute totalitarian control over EVERYTHING, ESPECIALLY us. However, in case you haven’t noticed, a lot of creators often go out of their way to go against audience expectations, and constantly prove their wills mean nothing (otherwise, we would be calling the shots).
Besides, let me remind you that the Original Trilogy was the same set of movies that had two old men outright lying to the hero about the fate of his father (claiming Vader murdered him, when in fact, Vader and Luke’s father were one and the same), and when called out on it, Obi-Wan essentially peddled moral relativism by saying it was “true from a certain point of view.” And how the Ewoks beat the Empire despite being complete primitives (in such a way that grossly exaggerates the efforts of the Vietcong, and was one of the reasons ROTJ was a disappointment to several people).
I can deduce Lucas lying when there’s actual proof against his claims (like development notes and the sort), like for example his recent claim that Greedo always shot first, since the shooting script made clear Han shot first.
Oh yeah, and the main heroine lied about Alderaan being “peaceful” and “lacking weapons or any form of defense” like she did about Dantooine being the hidden Rebel base (or do I have to remind everyone that the opening for the movie not only had a space battle between her ship and a Star Destroyer and explicitly firing upon it, but also had its crew, including Leia herself, using blasters. And don’t get me started on how she and her family were funneling funds to the Rebel Alliance and materiel, meaning the weapons definitely had to come from Alderaan. Sorry, but it’s the same kind of lie that one of the Weathermen members did by screaming as if she were a distressed damsel to catch the cops offguard while her friends shot them during a bank robbery.
People talk about it being comparable to the American Minutemen, but I don’t recall the American Minutemen stealing blueprints for military weapons or doing stolen contraband, or doing ANY of the stuff the Rebels did. Those were closer to French Revolutionaries, and one of the old comic characters named Elscol Loro had explicitly targeted civilians while operating under Rogue Squadron, and made a statement regarding neutrals that came closer to something the likes of Louis de Saint Just would say.
And do I need to remind you of George Lucas’s Prequel Trilogy where he REALLY let loose with his politics, including his inserting a non-too-subtle jab at Bush that resulted in the implication that the Jedi were nihilists?
The media called SDI “Star Wars” that just to mock it’s infeasibility (their words, not mine. I personally think it’s quite feasible. And besides, it worked, didn’t it?).
And the fact that people don’t even know the lyrics goes to prove my point on how the culture DOESN’T decide. If they actually knew the lyrics, they’d reject it as anti-American trash.
It’s like saying the culture thinks Che Guevara is pro-American just because he fought a revolution against a tyrannical regime, ignoring of course that he brought about a truly worse regime. And I’ve seen PLENTY of people think the French Revolution is pro-American simply because they fought against a king.
I do a speech with nice slides about Star Wars and how Reagan was Luke, how the Evil Emperor was the any of the old Soviet Dictators (and I have a slide of Brezhnev & the Emperor & they are VERY close, so I go back and forth), then Gorby and Darth, but Darth without his helmet where he is pasty faced and has that red streak on his head, right where Gorby’s red birth mark is.
The students think it’s hysterical.
Is it not ironic and interesting that in “The Force Awakens” that C3PO comes back with one red arm? Since his last appearance, he has had his left arm replaced... A LEFT RED arm???
There is a big gap between what people say and what others hear. Most people know Reagan was Luke & USSR the “evil empire.”
And also, I want BLUE back. The left has hijacked it since Reagan, but the Democrats are definitely more RED, AKA Communist, than the right conservatives Republicans...
The political commentary crap about this movie is just that - crap. This is not a political film, but a brilliant prequel to the very first Star Wars of 1977.
In fact, I’ll go as far as to call it perhaps the best Star Wars film after the original.
Excellent acting, plot, humor, heroism, etc, etc. The CGI re-animation of Peter Cushing was particularly eerie. It had EVERYTHING that the last Star Wars film did not. That one was the biggest disappointment of the franchise - this one is the most pleasant surprise.
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