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Just wunderin' and are there any ATPs out there that might be able to answer this question?
1 posted on 12/23/2016 12:50:57 PM PST by Allen In Texas Hill Country
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To: Allen In Texas Hill Country

No. The plane is in relative stasis on the earth along with the landmarks. Rotational orientation of the earth has no effect. Think of atmospheric space as a solid (gel like) mass joined to the planet.


2 posted on 12/23/2016 12:55:57 PM PST by FormerRep
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To: Allen In Texas Hill Country

The only difference would be in the prevailing winds. (Headwind vs Tailwind)


3 posted on 12/23/2016 12:57:20 PM PST by rapture-me
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To: Allen In Texas Hill Country

That’s right.

And if you jump up in the air, and stay levitated for 10 hours you will land in China.


4 posted on 12/23/2016 12:58:00 PM PST by Timpanagos1
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To: Allen In Texas Hill Country

I’m assuming you’re joking.


5 posted on 12/23/2016 12:58:32 PM PST by House Atreides (Send BOTH Hillary & Bill to prison.)
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To: Allen In Texas Hill Country
Not a pilot but I'm familiar with Newton's laws of motion. Does not Earth's atmosphere rotate with it? Is not the aircraft subject to that?

Sort of like ejecting anything from a moving spacecraft. That which is ejected is still moving at the same velocity as the spacecraft...unless some other force acts upon it.

6 posted on 12/23/2016 1:01:15 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (The future doesn't belong to the fainthearted. It belongs to the brave. - - Ronaldus Magnus Reagan)
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To: Allen In Texas Hill Country

The atmosphere travels with the earth at the same relative speed so it doesn’t matter which direction you fly.


7 posted on 12/23/2016 1:01:38 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Allen In Texas Hill Country

If you were in outer space you would be correct. But, you are still attached to earth (even in a plane.)

The navigator would make a route based on the grand circle, but the relation to the earth would act as though you were connected to the ground with a long stick.


9 posted on 12/23/2016 1:12:48 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Brace. Brace. Brace. Heads down. Do not look up.)
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To: Allen In Texas Hill Country

This reminds me of th stimulus when a truck driver carrying two tons of canaries in his two ton truck (4 tons total) came to a bridge with a warning sign “Load Limit: 3 tons.”

How did he get safely across the bridge without it collapsing from excessive weight?


11 posted on 12/23/2016 1:25:43 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Allen In Texas Hill Country

You’ll be in the EST plus three. From Texas plus four.
Sugarloaf and Corcovado are must see.
Gorgeous city.


12 posted on 12/23/2016 1:26:35 PM PST by Vinnie
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To: Allen In Texas Hill Country

And Babe Ruth really did not hit the baseball all that far.

He would hit the ball and the fences, which are in fact attached to the earth, which is of course moving, causing the ball to land on the other side of the fence.

Home Run!


18 posted on 12/23/2016 1:40:06 PM PST by Timpanagos1
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To: Allen In Texas Hill Country

I’m having a hard time assimilating the responses. One entry talked about the effect of winds and another insinuated that winds don’t count because the atmosphere is a gel/solid that rotates with the earth.

I’ve always kinda thought that weather/winds generally move from the west to the east in the northern hemisphere. That is with but ahead of the earths rotation. But doesn’t weather move from east to west in southern hemisphere?

I’m going to try and have a chat with a flight officer out of curiosity.


19 posted on 12/23/2016 1:52:16 PM PST by Allen In Texas Hill Country
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Former USAF navigator here....several responses are pretty good.

No more navigators on ( modern ) airlines. They have been replaced by computers relying on GPS and other means.

The GPS will fly a great circle route direct to Rio. The GPS will take into account winds and the coriolis effect.

But there is no need to fly to where Rio will be in 12 hours. Just fly where it is now.

There are some internet sites which will calculate the great circle route so you can see where you’re going.


20 posted on 12/23/2016 1:53:00 PM PST by OwenKellogg (Merry Christmas!)
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To: Allen In Texas Hill Country
Flying west bound might be a bit quicker for a given distance because the destination is rotating towards you.

The rotation of the earth has nothing to do with it. However whenever flying west expect it to take longer given the prevailing westerly winds.

24 posted on 12/23/2016 2:17:27 PM PST by usurper
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To: Allen In Texas Hill Country

Lol, this is like thinking if you toss a ball straight up in the air why doesn’t it move against the direction of Earth’s rotation :-)

The planet’s atmosphere is rotating right along with it.

An interesting point is fast moving satellites in orbit, they have to correct for relativistic changes in time. The GPS network has to do this or the location data would be way off.


32 posted on 12/23/2016 2:42:04 PM PST by Bobalu (See liberal MSM heads explode...make Milo Yiannopoulos Trump's new Press Secretary!)
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To: Allen In Texas Hill Country

I can see the surface of the earth pulling/scraping at the surface atmosphere causing it to rotate, for the most part, with it. But somewhere upstairs at 30, 40, 50 or 60k feet it would seem the air mass is independent of earth rotation and only reacts to air pressure differences.
Did an internet search and all answers were that the air mass moves with earth rotation. The phrase ‘air mass’ I guess mean ALL air. OK:<((


37 posted on 12/23/2016 2:56:07 PM PST by Allen In Texas Hill Country
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The aircraft is traveling through the atmosphere that is rotating the same speed as the earth’s surface (plus or minus wind currents). You simply discard the rotational effects of the earth and compensate for wind. A more interesting question arises on polar flights. When I used to teach Grid Navigation the first question is why teach Polar grid navigation...I always answered with the question from the north pole what direction do you fly to NYC...South right what direction do you fly to Moscow..er South uh-oh!


51 posted on 12/23/2016 8:20:04 PM PST by GregWarneford (Worlds foremost navigator!!)
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