Posted on 12/17/2016 8:14:25 PM PST by Trump_vs_Evil_Witch
You have a few knee jerk, simplistic reactions here. Reality is much more complicated. My take, somewhat abbreviated and over-simplified itself:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3505837/posts?page=28#28
At least, we don’t have to hear the pro-Russian clowns say Russia was fighting ISIS because they haven’t, probably Assad’s ally.
Can a Russian Nuke reach Hawaii? Just askin’.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Here is the GPS address ( public info.):
“What is the lie, and why is it “malicious?””
History is not written, it happens.
Reports of history may be slanted but to say that the winners write it is the territory of saying that the Earth is flat with five corners and Jerusalem sits in the center, directly beneath the throne of God. Good historians are chroniclers of events that actually happen as well as interpreters of events.
To say that history is written by the winners as the false parable strongly implies means that all history is lies and winners are always as big a criminals as the losers. That the winners have no interest in telling the truth or determining the truth because it always makes them look bad.
Do you believe the Bible? Read it then! The Jews were the losers. They lost to the Egyptians, the Philistines, the Assyrians, the Babylonians, the Medes and Persians,and the Roman. Did any of those groups write the Bible? If history is written by winners we’d all be be worshiping Marduk, Ba’al, Zoroaster or Caesar.
The false proverb also ignores groups like the Mongols that left no written records. Almost everything we know about the Mongol invasion of 1230 AD was written by the losers! Does that mean there was no invasion or that the Khan didn’t pile headless coupes 30 feet high outside of city gates?
The same is true of most of the barbarian tribes that invaded Rome. They didn’t have historians. If history is written by the winners does that mean that Rome never fell and Titus Livey was an adventure novelist?
Did the Native Americans win? Do you know anything about their culture? Is the history you learned about the Indian wars always sympathetic to the invading US or Europeans? Almost none of the accounts you read of the massacres inflicted upon native Americans were written by the winning side. So did the Indians win?
History is not written by the winners because it is not written but happens, but even if it was that doesn’t automatically mean it was written wrong or slanted which is what the fake proverb clearly suggest.
It is malicious because it clearly implies that we cannot ever really know the past; which means that we cannot ever understand the present. The past affects us in ways both subtle and obvious sometimes for 100’s or 1000’s of years. The loser often affect us as much or more as the winners.
If you think I’m strident about this ask me about the other big popular lies:
“People fear what they don’t understand.” That one is really wrong!
Or why I don’t believe in self-evident things!
And don’t get me started about the “Noble Savage” BS
About 90% of our so-called mainstream media ARE the left. They all march in lockstep and collude with left-wing politicians like Obama. Ever notice how they all say the identical thing, using the identical words, at virtually the same time? Random variation in focus, speech and/or timing is normal across any group of human beings. Virtually identical focus, speech and/or timing is not normal, but is a clear sign of collusion and directed communication.
Two things to always watch for in the Middle East.
The first applies everywhere - follow the money, which in the Middle East means oil and gas. The second is follow the Shia-Sunni split.
Assad sits athwart a pipeline route to get Saudi and Emirate (Sunni) natural gas to Europe, which would compete with the Russians. So the Iranian Shia don’t like this, which is why you find the Russians and the Iranians helping Assad.
I would say that it is 100% of the so called mainstream media that are Leftists.
How and Why?
Yes. Something happens and within a few hours all the left wing pundits, and media are all using the same talking points.
If Linda says it, you can take to the bank. Another spelling of the Free Syrian Army is I-S-I-S. How it worked was thusly: While they were being armed by obama, they were known as the Free Syrian Army. Once armed they became ISIS. When one of the Free Syrian Army killers got bored killing unarmed Syrians, he turned his weapon[s] to an ISIS guy. Then he became a “refugee” and was brought to the United States of America to begin cutting off heads anew when he got the word. In the meantime, he and his buddies could piss on afflicted girl children with the blessing and protection of the Government to their heart’s content.
Bravo!
Excellent post! I couldn’t have said it better. I too have always hated that “saying.” The Left frequently invokes that “wisdom” to delegitimize America, our history, our military, and our wars. It’s one of the favorite sayings of the Japanese right to justify some of the Japanese military dictatorship’s worst atrocities during WWII. (We were really innocent! Those evil victors just re-wrote it!) These people might as well be saying that America was the aggressor during WWII and that we were “biased” against Hitler.
Come to think of it, many on the Left, and unfortunately on the paleo-right too, actually DO say that.
The Clinton/Obama crime families with the allies in the old media are spoiling for war with Russia to further empower the Muslim brotherhood.
Indeed! I have seared in my memory the famous picture of Nancy Pelosi, head scarf and all, having a nice friendly chat
with Assad-at the time Bush was trying to have him replaced.
I suspect it was not so such to show support for Assad but rather, to show contempt for Bush.
I’d also add, regarding Aleppo (and some of the high-fiving going on here):
In terms of the effort to defeat radical Islam, which will likely take generations if not longer, Aleppo is presently at most tactical win for Assad & Russia. Whether or not it is in the longer run a strategic win for Russia and / or Assad is somewhat unclear. For Russia & Iran, it cost considerable resources, with no assurance at all that the pipeline project they favor will ever be feasible. Russia’s Mediterranean port IS probably a bit more secure, for now. But, for Assad’s Syria, it’s largest city is essentially destroyed, the population scattered, and no small number are dead or maimed. Many terrorists were killed, but many also escaped or were allowed to leave. Turkey, and several Gulf States will still pursue the ouster of Assad, as may the Euros, even though Trump likely will end US efforts. While some of the other “local” groups are weakened, ISIS overall is not. (Even as Aleppo fell, ISIS just recaptured Palmyra and some significant weaponry, apparently.) US influence is severely weakened. One also has to wonder how much more difficult the task of retaking Aleppo would have been if the rebel groups had not generally been fighting both Syria and each other — granted that this is not an uncommon thing, with the Islamists.
Now, let’s back up a moment, and consider the more general effort to defeat radical Islam. I have seen no one consider this: The terrorists, even though for most of them it was not their goal in this instance, were able to accomplish the destruction of a major city, largely through “leveraging” the actions of the government of the country that city is / was in, and that country’s allies.
Think about the ramifications of THAT, for a few evenings...
The one consistency that stands out during the Bush and Obama years is the support of Saudi interests by taking out Saddam Hussein in Iraq in 2003 and later on the Saudi-Gulf Arab backed “Arab Spring” that included the Syrian Civil War.
You have to factor in the Iranian Street Revolt in 2009 and the Ukrainian Coup in 2014.
The Iranian street protests and Ukraine both had similarities and undermined Shia Iran and its ally Russia, just like the Syrian Civil War does in favor of the Sunni Saudis.
In the midst of all this insanity, the Iran Nuclear Deal of Obama enabled by the Republicans in the US Senate with the Corker Bill.
Now the GOP beats its chest for Iranian Sanctions.....Trump will go along I’m sure but its time to back out of Syria, stay out of Syria, stop doing what the Saudi$ want.
Last Sunday, Peter Hitchens wrote a column saying the deeply in debt economically distressed UK loves Saudi money and does business selling weapons to them.
The same applies to the US and Europe to varying degrees.
Obama had two options by which the Syrian crisis could have come out differently.
One option would have been to have NEVER allowed any Middle East state or the so-called “Syrian opposition” to think that the U.S. would place itself in any supporting role on a regime change agenda in Syria. Why? The security situation vis-a-vis Syria was stable and manageable, and any attempt to unseat Assad with western assistance was SURE to result in Syria becoming a more problematic security issue with massive Russian and Iranian assistance surely given to Assad (and increasing Russian and Iranian presence in the area to boot).
Option two would have bit the bullet on how Assad would respond to western support for the “Syrian opposition”, and nip his efforts to get Russian & Iranian assistance in the bud by going immediately all in with every available U.S. means taken against Assad.
He took neither and instead punted all the way down a never ending and ineffective middle road. He insured one thing - a much prolonged conflict with a much increased loss of civilian lives and Syrian infrastructure.
“Lesson #1: Victors of wars write the history books.
Is that true, yes or no?
(A certain Mr. Churchill certainly believed it)
Obama’s side lost.”
Is that true. yes or no?
You then said “That one of the most malicious lies of all time” Which is the lie? (and if you think it was “one of the most malicious lies of all times,” you need to get out more.)
If you want real lies, start with “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion,” any pro-Nazi or KKK recruiting materiel, or for that matter, the last 100 words uttered by Hillary Clinton, Sen Elizabeth Warren, Jeremiah Wright or Louis Farrakhan on any given day.
You said “History is not written, it happens” I'm sorry, but “history” does not “happen.” “Events” happen, but according to the dictionary, “History is a record of past events, now usually written, and usually about human involvement in those events”
If you don't think that the vast majority of the history of conflicts, especially since Gutenberg, is written by the winners of those conflicts, well, I never could find a copy of Emperor Hirohito's “Memories of Hiroshima” of Kaiser Wilhelm's “Friends I Made On Flanders Fields”
PS. try the decaf.
It was a bad day in DC when they closed St. Elizabeth’s.
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