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Wind power is a nice idea, until you get to the details
Washington Post ^ | 30 August 2016 | Walt Boge, Berlin, Md.

Posted on 09/05/2016 12:13:32 PM PDT by Lorianne

Letter to the Editor: Regarding the Aug, 28 Politics & The Nation article “Backers hope nation’s first offshore wind farm will jump-start an industry”:

As a retired engineer, I find it hard to justify wind farms from an economic, aesthetic or environmental perspective. The article stated that a five-turbine, 30-megawatt project off Rhode Island will provide enough energy for about 17,000 homes. What is the cost for backup power generation when there is little or no wind? What about the limited lifetime of the turbines (20 years estimated, but a British study found that 12 to 15 years is more appropriate)? Even with government subsidies, the economic value of wind farms is highly questionable.

The article said the nation’s almost 50,000 wind turbines account for about 5 percent of the nation’s energy generation. If only half of the nation’s renewable-energy needs are to be solved by wind farms, then we would need 500,000 turbines. The land/water area needed by each turbine depends on a number of variables — for example, the GE 1.5-megawatt turbine needs 82 unobstructed acres. So if one chooses 80 acres per turbine, 500,000 would need 40 million acres — about the size of Florida. On land or offshore, this would be certain to impact ecology and scenery.

Renewable energy sounds great until one gets into the details of efficacy, efficiency and cost. We need to tread carefully before jumping on the renewable-energy bandwagon.

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1 posted on 09/05/2016 12:13:32 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

They also look horrid on the landscape.


2 posted on 09/05/2016 12:15:04 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (Fear is the mind killer.)
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To: Lorianne

Leave it to an engineer to point out facts that run counter to the narrative. How rude of him. /s


3 posted on 09/05/2016 12:16:54 PM PDT by Bob (No, being a US Senator and the Secretary of State are not accomplishments; they're jobs.)
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To: Lorianne
Facts are not relevant to environmental wackos.

Not only they deny science, engineering and economics, it defies common sense...

4 posted on 09/05/2016 12:17:13 PM PDT by Popman (Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people. - Proverbs 14:34)
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To: Lorianne

http://canadafreepress.com/article/wind-turbines-rusting-giants-of-the-environmental-watermelon-religion


5 posted on 09/05/2016 12:19:35 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: Lorianne
Wind power is an interruptible energy supply at best. Like the article says, you have to purchase a fossil fuel backup. Greenie Weenies (environmentalists) are imbeciles at best and scary power hungry citizens at worst.
6 posted on 09/05/2016 12:21:09 PM PDT by Chgogal (A woman who votes for Hillary is voting with her vagina and not her brain.)
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To: Lorianne

Unless you are a bird, then they are deadly.


7 posted on 09/05/2016 12:22:18 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Lorianne

Small scale wind turbines to supplement one home make sense. Large scale turbines trying to power the grid do not.


8 posted on 09/05/2016 12:23:36 PM PDT by Terabitten (Time for the GOPe to reap the whirlwind.)
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To: Lorianne

I support renewables, but only on a personal level. I think it’s great to be energy self-sufficient through solar or personal blades that are small enough to fit upon your roof.

Anything helps, but they are not sufficient to replace fossil fuels completely and the science in this regard is pretty much settled by now.


9 posted on 09/05/2016 12:30:00 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Bob
I ran the numbers once on solar energy. If I remember correctly, it comes out that you have to cover somewhere between 2/3 to all of Nevada with solar cells.

The green crowd doesn't want anyone to think this through. Just government mandate after government mandate...

10 posted on 09/05/2016 12:31:42 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Robert DeLong

Di the turbines make noise? Might also be a problem for a bat.


11 posted on 09/05/2016 12:33:38 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: Chgogal

Wind power would be great to use to pump water to high altitude reservoirs, as it only matters how much power is available, not so much when. The water can then be stored as potential energy until needed. It is absurd to try to use it in a live power system for high power needs.

Can we get the environmentalists to let this happen?


12 posted on 09/05/2016 12:36:14 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Jonty30

I agree with that, in fact, I have a number of battery packs that are solar charged so that my emergency radio and other electronic devices have a type of savings I can withdraw from.


13 posted on 09/05/2016 12:36:17 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: Terabitten
Small scale wind turbines to supplement one home make sense. Large scale turbines trying to power the grid do not.

Agree and when your small scale turbine gets old and rusty just recycle the metal and get a new one.
14 posted on 09/05/2016 12:36:35 PM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: Lorianne

LIberals love seeing windmills. They are a monument to their assumed superior intellect. The never bother to look behind the scenes at the coal fired plant that must sit idle to provide the base load generation required.

Windmills are monuments to liberal stupidity and government waste.


15 posted on 09/05/2016 12:41:14 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Hillary Clinton, the elderly woman's version of "I dindu nuffins.")
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To: Lorianne

Efficacy, efficiency and cost aren’t considerations, how large the subsidies from the taxpayers will be is the only consideration.


16 posted on 09/05/2016 12:57:32 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: Organic Panic

Ahh, reminiscing about quaint old Dutch windmills, Hans Brinker, the Little Dutch girl... yes, now I am ready to say these huge metal wind turbines “look good”...naw, never. Only a dumb Watermelon could say that.


17 posted on 09/05/2016 1:01:12 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: Lorianne

In my professional circulation I get to meet an talk with a lot of founders of companies. I have run across the CEOs of several “alternative energy” companies. Not a single on that is involved in wind power has a single mention it its business plan, nor in their capital plan, for setting aside reserves to decommission wind turbine equipment.

Wind power cannot compete economically on a level playing field with more conventional power sources. The field can only be tilted by government which does so in various ways. But in the end, the result is that wind power is economically unsustainable. Much like the well known Romulan Cloaking technology, the mirage can only be sustained by the continual expenditure of great amounts of energy. Government will eventually get exhausted to sustain the economic mirage.

When the economic mirage falters, wind power companies will shut down and will abandon their turbines. In only a few years, idle turbines will become first and eyesore than a danger to safety as they start to fall apart in high winds.

Then environmentalists will demand a new government program, to restore the vistas to their previous pristine clarity. And thus environmentalists will have come full circle, from where they blamed owners of open pit coal mines of greed for walking away from those eyesores without proper funding of remediation.

But should wind power companies plan for the eventual remediation, that economic truth would crush their already crush-worthy business plans.


18 posted on 09/05/2016 1:07:20 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: theBuckwheat

As an addendum, let me also quickly observe that nuclear power enjoys a subsidy from the federal government that cannot be priced: government has redefined their risk so that should a plant have a radiological disaster that contaminates a wide area, government has assumed that risk.

No insurance company could price that risk, let alone reserve for it. So, nuclear power carries its own price distortion that is significant even as it is totally different in nature than the risks of any other source of utility-grade power.


19 posted on 09/05/2016 1:11:09 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Morpheus2009

Some complaints have been made that they can cause too much noise for residents living within a mile of the blades.


20 posted on 09/05/2016 1:21:39 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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