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Satellite tagged Aberdeenshire raptor missing in Highlands
BBC ^ | 18 Aug 2016

Posted on 08/18/2016 7:29:09 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

Last week, RSPB Scotland and the Scottish Moorland Group, whose members include landowners and gamekeepers, clashed over the loss of the eight golden eagles between 2011 and July this year.

The wildlife charity believes they were killed illegally around grouse moors, and their satellite tracking tags destroyed.

The transmitters being fitted to these birds are exceedingly reliable, and illegal persecution is therefore the most likely explanation of the disappearance of these birds of prey.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Outdoors; Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: birds; scotland
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Those damnable English factors?

Hungry Scotsman?

The sons of Joseph Lucas were the manufacturer of the transmitters?

1 posted on 08/18/2016 7:29:09 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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They eat the grouse used for sport. I don’t know if they breed the grouse like pheasant are bred here for sport. If so I suggest they breed more. Back in the 30s 40s 50s farmers would kill Hawks and eagles that ‘hunted’ their pitiful small chicken stocks. It was more survival then. The benefit of the so called factory farm is the raptors get to live and we get to watch them wheeling on the thermals.


2 posted on 08/18/2016 7:36:50 AM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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My brother used to rent a house adjacent to a large pheasant breeder.

You only need to walk a row or two, no dog needed, to make the limit!

Not very exciting, but good to eat!


3 posted on 08/18/2016 7:46:42 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Looks like it's pretty hairy.)
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... their pitiful small chicken stocks.

I thought chickens were exterminated in the UK for at least the duration of WWII, to save on grain? Food controls lasted into the 1950s, a few years more than West Germany.

Don't know when poultry farming was allowed again.

4 posted on 08/18/2016 7:47:42 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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“I thought chickens were exterminated in the UK for at least the duration of WWII...”

Ah, so that was what “Chicken Run” was all about!


5 posted on 08/18/2016 8:06:54 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: DUMBGRUNT
I can see both sides on this and I wonder if the locals were given a vote about releasing those eagles into their area.

I live on the edge of town and have some bird feeders in the back yard.

I get all sorts of critter traffic, but the hawks and owls keep those backyard birds, squirrels and rabbits on their best survival behavior with almost daily motivation.

Personally, I think it's cool watching the food chain in action, but I'm watching from a relatively high and safe place in the food chain.

On the other hand, when the hawks and owls are feeding their babies, it's generally best to just keep cats and small dogs in the house.

Yesterday, my springer spaniel chased a good sized Cooper's hawk out of the yard, barking all the way. He lives for stuff like that.

But later that night while watching TV, I channel surfed onto a scene of some big raptor going after baby mountain goats while the adult goats were fighting it off.

If, instead of a Cooper's hawk, it had been one of those big raptors my boy chased after, my boy probably wouldn't have come back.

He'd have been lunch. Those baby goats were as big as he is or maybe even a little bigger.

So, if my view included big raptors in my backyard food chain, like with those Scottish landowners and gamekeepers, I can see things getting resized to a larger gauge and caliber, so to speak.

6 posted on 08/18/2016 8:41:22 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the matrix, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream.)
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“The sons of Joseph Lucas were the manufacturer of the transmitters? “

Lucas, the “Prince of Darkness” ?


7 posted on 08/18/2016 8:55:26 AM PDT by PLMerite (Compromise is Surrender: The Revolution...will not be kind.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

They’re going to need to add GoPros to the birds in the future.


8 posted on 08/18/2016 9:02:13 AM PDT by Defiant (After 8 years of Chump Change, it's time for Trump Change.)
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To: GBA

Note that Aberdeenshire is about 2500 SQ Miles, about the same size as the State of Delaware, but the population is only 250,000!!!

A nice place, but the pickings may be a bit thin.

Aberdeenshire has 100 people per Sq mile, Illinois has 232 per sq mi.
Here in DuPage County, it is 2800/ sq mi!!

Total employment in Aberdeenshire is estimated at 93,700 employees . The majority of employees work within the service sector, predominantly in public administration, education and health. Almost 19% of employment is within the public sector.


9 posted on 08/18/2016 9:12:08 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Looks like it's pretty hairy.)
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Yes!
“Don’t drive after dark or in the rain”
J. Lucas.


10 posted on 08/18/2016 9:14:25 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Looks like it's pretty hairy.)
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Thanks for the info! Sounds great!

One of my sisters went over to visit last year and I'm half surprised she came back.

I'd love to go, too. Maybe one of these days...

11 posted on 08/18/2016 9:43:26 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the matrix, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream.)
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My wife and friends just returned from a two week tour of the Scottish Highlands,and on up into the Orkney Islands.
She truly loved it!

She did note that civilization was a bit sparse, but the people they did meet were EXTREMELY nice!

She found about a dozen with our surname did not survive the battle of Culloden.


12 posted on 08/18/2016 10:24:25 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Looks like it's pretty hairy.)
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“Note that Aberdeenshire is about 2500 SQ Miles, about the same size as the State of Delaware, but the population is only 250,000!!!”

hahah!
Hah!
“only”
That is funny.

My COUNTY is almost that big and has not much over 50k people. Yeah less than 25 per square mile. And that is a POPULOUS county for NV. The next county over has FIVE people per square mile. That county is almost TWICE the size of Delaware and has a little under 25k people.

We can drive for an hour on a state highway and see literally no other humans, no houses, no cars, nothing man-made larger than fence post or some distant power lines. Nothing but us and the road.


13 posted on 08/18/2016 10:24:53 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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OH my!

I had to look that one up!

DuPage where I live is a meeger 336 sq mi!!!!!!!
The largest in Illinois is 1136 sq mi!

#1 San Bernardino Cal. 20,105 sq mi!!!!!

#2 Coconino County Az 18,661 sq mi!!!!

ALL OF SCOTLAND 30,090 !!!!!!!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_counties_in_the_United_States_by_area


14 posted on 08/18/2016 10:46:18 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Looks like it's pretty hairy.)
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Harding County NM, 2100 square miles.... population 698. ;)


15 posted on 08/18/2016 10:51:06 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: DUMBGRUNT

I lived in England in the 80s and I had an old Jag with Lucas electrics (positive ground). I had a lot of problems with that car, but the electrical system wasn’t one of them. Maybe if it had run more often some problems might have developed. :)


16 posted on 08/18/2016 11:53:58 AM PDT by PLMerite (Compromise is Surrender: The Revolution...will not be kind.)
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I have owned several English motorcycles and some 1960- 1970 Volvos, including my beloved P1800s ( wish I had kept that one forever).

Typical the fuses and connectors not making a good connection in damp weather. I soldered them in!
On the bikes there was a zener diode (?)That used to smoke for no good reason...

In the 1960’s English cycling magazines, they used show a broke down cyclist sitting on the curb in the rain... to advertise their quick roadside replacements!!!


17 posted on 08/18/2016 12:31:11 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Looks like it's pretty hairy.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

We have driven to the West Coast several times, and non express way too.
I never realized it was that sparse!!!

Had some of my wife’s kin from Norway did a USA tour six weeks on the road, to every giant ball of string, sideshow and Disneyland.
NYC and back with everything in between.

They simply loved the EXTREME VASTNESS! The cornfields, the deserts, the empty space!

They received a ‘free’ upgrade on the rental to a giant gray Lincoln, looked like a Navy ship! Gas was high at the time, they said “gas is cheap!!” in Norway it was $$$.

They said, in Europe everything is close together.

I started to look at the size of countries in the EU vs US states.
Switzerland 16,000 sq miles

Your county is bigger than Switzerland!!!


18 posted on 08/18/2016 1:02:21 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Looks like it's pretty hairy.)
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I always thought those were some snappy looking cars:

A friend of mine had one briefly, forever ago. I can't remember if it was the coupe or the wagon.

19 posted on 08/18/2016 1:16:53 PM PDT by PLMerite (Compromise is Surrender: The Revolution...will not be kind.)
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The one I references is number 63. Heh. The one I live in does not make the list.
The whole state is 25 people per mile. And if you stay clear of Vegas and Reno then that number is vastly lower.

If you were in Reno and wanted to drive to the north end of Washoe county... it would take you 5 hours. If you wanted to drive there while staying in the county... it would take you 8 hours! And a lot of the drive would be dirt roads.


20 posted on 08/18/2016 2:38:22 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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