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Inquisitor ^ | 04.22.2016 | Murphy

Posted on 04/22/2016 2:32:15 PM PDT by ameribbean expat

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To: Ghost of SVR4

Wasted because of human error is very different from human diversion. The guys are young and between us and Putin. I laughed at that video but not this one...

FOX NEWS EXCLUSIVE: The US Marines are at their BREAKING POINT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8_5IxYbgQ0


41 posted on 04/22/2016 9:54:00 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Vote Pro-life! Allow God to bless America before He avenges the death of the innocent.)
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To: Rockpile
That picture on the link to the story is not a C-130. It is a C-17. The C-130 is a 4 engine turboprop. The C-17 is a 4 engine jet that can haul oversize and outsize cargo.

From the video, we can clearly see that these were C-130s.

Also, from the green strip and wording on its tail, the C-17 in the picture is from McChord. They just used a file picture when they wrote this story. Whoever wrote it knew very little about mobility aircraft or the military.

C-130

C-17


42 posted on 04/23/2016 3:34:32 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Who packs the US Army’s stuff? If it is the AF, this is an embarrassment. If it is the Army, then I can see the chuckles...

Actually, it is both.

When those aircraft loads, including rolling stock (HUMVEEs) were rigged and loaded, there were would have been Air Force personnel working with the Army. However, the primary responsiblity for accomplishing the rigging of the Army equipment (in this case in Germany) would have probably have been the U.S. Army 5th Quartermaster Detachment based in Kaiserslautern. The 173d Airborne is based out of Italy, and they would have had representatives during the rigging as well. And as I said, I believe the aircraft were probably C-130s from the 37th Airlift Squadron our of Ramstein, Germany.

43 posted on 04/23/2016 3:41:10 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: ameribbean expat
but back in my day AF loadmasters had final say on all palletized materiel flying out of the ass end of USAF aircraft.

Still true. The rigging was accomplished with Army and AF personnel, and the loadmasters have to give it the final go ahead as you say. They are the ones whose live are on the line if the weight and balance is off, which could cause catastrophe on takeoff. Or, if the load does not properly exit the aircraft or you get a hung chute, you could have a catastrophe.

I remember the Heavy Brigade airdrop exercises we did in the late 1990s using C-5s - THAT was interesting.

C-5s and C-17s can drop M551 Sheridan tanks.

We had a lot of damaged vehicles over North Carolina farmland during that one, just like this incident.

44 posted on 04/23/2016 3:46:52 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Hanger Queen: Aircraft, or any major piece of equipment that’s always breaking down, spending more time in the shop than in the field.


45 posted on 04/23/2016 4:53:08 AM PDT by captain_dave
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To: SkyPilot

Did you watch the video linked at thiis wretched crappy Inquistr site?

The photo I referred to shows two pallet loaded Hums on trailers waiting to be loaded on a C130 with an RS tailcode.

This Incompetent site was torture with endless download fails and reloading.


46 posted on 04/23/2016 9:10:38 AM PDT by Rockpile (GOP legislators-----caviar eating surrender monkeys.)
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To: ameribbean expat

I blame the Air Force.


47 posted on 04/23/2016 11:13:43 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

As do all grunts. Personally, I thought the people filming were Pathfinders. Set up the DZ,make popcorn.


48 posted on 04/23/2016 1:00:19 PM PDT by ameribbean expat
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To: SkyPilot

We used to send a lot of E-6s (squad leaders) to USAF load master course at Howard AFB. Joint training. Just like our company mortar teams used to be qual’d on naval gunfire. We were a long way from home and all we had was each other. Not that we didn’t beat the tar out of each other on liberty...joint readiness does have its limits.


49 posted on 04/23/2016 1:29:14 PM PDT by ameribbean expat
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To: ameribbean expat
Thank you for your service my brother. I used to fly into Howard. Great place.

I love "joint" more and more as I get to be an old man. I remember all who supported me and who I served with. I was a spoiled strategic airlift pilot, and it took my guys staying up all night in a freezing cold night to fix the plane to wake me up. After that, I never took anyone's work for granted. Human nature tells us to run for the easiest route. The military won't allow you that. You either lead, and do, or get discarded. It is a serious business.

Again, thank you for your service.

50 posted on 04/23/2016 1:49:52 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: Rockpile

I didn’t see your link on this thread. I must be stupid.


51 posted on 04/23/2016 1:52:27 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: smokingfrog
Rigging vehicles that weigh several thousands of tons, and attempting to deliver them within 50 yards on a DZ in bad weather or horrible cross winds is a tricky business. I should know.

These things happen. That is why we train and exercise. I don't blame the Army guys on the ground at all for laughing - I would have too. This is not driving to your local Sonic and getting a burger. This is tough stuff to accomplish.

During the drop of the 82nd and 101st Airborne on the night before D-Day - LOTS of stuff went wrong. Lots.

But we marched on. That is what professionals do.

52 posted on 04/23/2016 1:56:48 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: smokingfrog

Sorry, I meant to say several tons, not several “thousands” of tons. Good gracious.


53 posted on 04/23/2016 1:58:24 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: SkyPilot

I only said that because I’m Army and almost everyone else in the family is AF. ;)


54 posted on 04/23/2016 2:03:32 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

Oh no worries brother, I gotcha. You hang in there.


55 posted on 04/23/2016 2:16:04 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: SkyPilot

You are absolutely correct about the older you get the more you understand and appreciate what all the different services bring to the table. We were one little airborne battalion, covering all of Latin America. We had to have help from the (godawful) US Navy and USAF. Didn’t appreciate it @ the time, just lived to hit the Green Dragon on a Friday night when we got back into town. But our sandflea operations would have been miserable without them.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JUTQExmJ2qw

Wouldn’t trade it for anything. Best education...ever.


56 posted on 04/23/2016 2:26:20 PM PDT by ameribbean expat
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