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Milt Pappas, Cagey All-Star Traded for Hall of Famer, Dies at 76
The New York Times ^ | April 19, 2016 | Bruce Weber

Posted on 04/20/2016 9:35:06 AM PDT by EveningStar

Milt Pappas, a cagey right-hander who won more than 200 big league games but whose most memorable, if unlucky, legacy is that he was traded for the future Hall of Fame outfielder Frank Robinson in what has been considered one of the most lopsided exchanges in baseball history, died on Tuesday at his home in Beecher, Ill. He was 76.

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TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: athletes; baseball; miltpappas; mlb; obituary
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1 posted on 04/20/2016 9:35:07 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Bad trade but this guys career was still a solid ML career. 209 wins is pretty good.

I know Reds fans didn’t like it but a few years later the Big Red Machine was assembled so they forgot how mad they were then.


2 posted on 04/20/2016 9:48:13 AM PDT by barmag25
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Yep, not one of the most lopsided exchanges in baseball history by a long shot. That honor would go to the Red Sox for selling Babe Ruth's contract to the Yankees for cash. Or the Cubs trading Lou Brock to the Cardinals for Ernie Broglio who proceeded to finish his career with Chicago with a 7-19 record.

Pappas, on the other hand, proceeded to play another eight years and turn in a very respectable 140-113 record.

3 posted on 04/20/2016 9:57:18 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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209 wins puts him tied with Don Drysdale at 99th on the all time win list. Pretty good actually.

The Babe Ruth trade I don’t think will ever be topped as the worst trade of all time.


4 posted on 04/20/2016 10:04:26 AM PDT by barmag25
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well there was than Kenyan trade where we got Barry


5 posted on 04/20/2016 10:07:15 AM PDT by advertising guy
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To: barmag25
Good point about big D. Pappas will never make the Hall of Fame, but he does belong on the list of great players who at least got close.

The Babe Ruth deal wasn't exactly a trade, it was a sale. So, I'll have to put the Lou Brock trade at the top of the list for trades.

6 posted on 04/20/2016 10:14:53 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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To: EveningStar
Very interesting comments by Bill James this morning on ol' Milt and his Hall of Fame "self-candidacy," including the possibility that he got away with murdering his wife.

Scroll down to the initial inquiry by Phil Dellio, then scroll up for more Q&A:

http://www.billjamesonline.com/hey_bill/

7 posted on 04/20/2016 10:15:31 AM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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This gets brought up occasionally. The wife was an alcoholic (no one argues on that point). For five years, she was missing....then they drained a pond about four blocks away from the family home, and here is the 1980 Buick sitting at the bottom. Because of the drive or path to the pond area....they think she was drunk and just drove the car in and was too drunk to get out. I don’t think any cops ever accused the guy of anything.


8 posted on 04/20/2016 10:25:41 AM PDT by pepsionice
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Well, as my wife said this morning after I told her about this, perhaps he was just really clever. And I said, anyone who doesn’t actually murder his wife belongs in the Hall of Fame. And she agreed enthusiastically. That’s one of the secrets to a thirty-eight-year marriage like ours: finding areas of common agreement.


9 posted on 04/20/2016 10:30:42 AM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: Vigilanteman

Here’s another trade that was slightly lopsided: in 1972, the St. Louis Cardinals, the team I grew up with, traded Steve Carlton to the Phillies for Rick Wise. “Lefty,” then 27, was demanding more than Gussie Busch was willing to pay, so they sent him to Philadelphia in exchange for Wise, who was also a starting pitcher. In typical Redbirds fashion, there were leaks from the front office that Carlton was starting to lose some of the heat on his fastball and didn’t have a lot of years left in the big leagues.

You know the rest: Wise was a solid pitch and went on to win another 110 games over the rest of his career (he had 75 before the trade). Carlton, who was supposedly past his prime, won another 252 games and 4 Cy Young Awards before retiring. The vast majority of those wins (241) came with the Phills, adding to the 77 he logged with the Cardinals.

Based on the results, I think you can safely say it was a lop-sided trade.


10 posted on 04/20/2016 11:25:21 AM PDT by ExNewsExSpook
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To: ExNewsExSpook

Lop-sided trade, indeed. But I still think you can safely say that the Cardinals got a lot more out of Rick Wise than the Cubs did out of Ernie Borgilo.


11 posted on 04/20/2016 12:04:07 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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To: EveningStar

RIP.


12 posted on 04/20/2016 9:00:47 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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