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Donald Trump Has 37 percent. Hard to Get to 270 Electoral Votes
Townhall.com ^ | March 22, 2016 | Michael Barone

Posted on 03/22/2016 4:57:54 AM PDT by Kaslin

Many Donald Trump supporters think he is a slam dunk to beat Hillary Clinton in the general election. The candidate himself certainly takes this view.

But Trump's analysis of current public polls is preposterous. In the RealClearPolitics.com average of recent polls, Trump trails Clinton by 6 points, 47 to 41 percent. Ted Cruz, in contrast, leads Clinton 46 to 45 percent.

Ex-candidate Marco Rubio and splinter candidate John Kasich have been running even better. All at least equal the 46 percent that is the lowest percentage won by either party's nominee this century. Against each of them Clinton falls short of that.

Trump's poll performance is not just a momentary blip. In 49 polls conducted matching him against Clinton starting last May, Trump led her in four, tied her in two and lost to her in 43.

Since the Feb. 25 debate, when Cruz and Rubio (finally) started pummeling him, Trump's losing margin has increased from 2 percent to 6 percent. His current 41 percent is his lowest showing in the RCP average since last August, when people were just starting to seriously contemplate his candidacy. Polls typically show 60-plus percent of voters with unfavorable feelings toward him, even worse than Clinton's 50-plus percent unfavorable rating.

Trump's standing could decline further if and when he is nominated. Then the mainstream media -- which has been giving him lavish coverage and acceding to his unusual demands for telephone interviews and non-mobile cameras -- will likely join the Democrats in unleashing attack after attack. That probably won't help!

Trump's weakness is confirmed by polling in the dozen target states whose votes will, if current patterns hold, determine the outcome in November. Trump trails Clinton in RCP averages in 11 of the 12, including North Carolina, which Mitt Romney carried in 2012. The exception is Colorado, in a single poll conducted last November, in which Cruz still ran stronger.

What about Trump's argument that he has brought new people into the electorate? He's right that Republican turnout (19.5 million) is way up and exceeds Democratic turnout (14.6 million) for the first time in a year when both parties have had protracted contests.

By no means have all first-time primary voters gone for Trump. But let's concede that current polling tends to produce an electorate whose composition resembles that of 2012 and entertain the possibility that this won't be the case in 2016.

Black turnout and Democratic percentage are likely to fall, with the first black president off the ballot. Young voters' aversion to Clinton, evident in Bernie Sander's 80-plus percent among under-30s in exit polls, could sharply reduce millennials' Democratic margin. The proportion of seniors -- a good demographic group for Trump -- is rising as the baby boomers age.

If you use the RCP interactive tool and adjust 2012 black turnout down by 10 percent and white turnout up 3 percent, and further adjust the Democratic percentages down 4 points among blacks and up 3 points among whites, you come out with a Republican popular vote and Electoral College lead -- even assuming the Republican does as badly with Hispanics and Asians as Romney did.

That would look more like the off-year electorates that gave Republicans 51 and 52 percent of popular votes for the House of Representatives in 2010 and 2012. It would look like an electorate expanded with the new voters predicted by the two candidates -- Trump's left-behind angry whites, Cruz's evangelical Christians. Both groups have shown up disproportionately in Republican primaries and caucuses so far.

But you can expand the electorate all you want, and if you still have a product that 50 percent of the voters won't buy, you lose the election. The addition of new voters might nudge Trump's unfavorable numbers down to 60 percent. But that's still a losing number, since Clinton seems to be holding nearly 90 percent of Democrats, although one-third don't consider her honest or trustworthy.

Some may believe that Trump's favorable numbers could improve and make him more competitive. That hasn't happened so far. His celebrity helped him corral a lot of votes early, and he's held on to them. Exit polls show his voters have been committed for months, with late deciders going mostly to other candidates.

Trump has won 37 percent of Republican votes and is regarded unfavorably by more than 60 percent of general election voters. It's hard to get from there to 270 electoral votes!


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To: Hang'emAll
Clearly basic math is not some Cruz supporters strong point.

Sad, really. Otherwise bright, intelligent, well informed and engaged people who refuse to see reality that the GOP-E must be torn down rather than aligned with in order to "win at any cost."

41 posted on 03/22/2016 5:31:37 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: fooman
Then maybe Hillary happens.

I hope not. We'll see in November.

But Trump can't put Cruz on the ticket. The whole Birther thing has made that a impossibility. And Cruz wouldn't want it even if Trump could. His ambitions are sized for the presidency and not the vice-presidency.

42 posted on 03/22/2016 5:33:54 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: libbylu




VOTE TRUMP

43 posted on 03/22/2016 5:38:03 AM PDT by onyx (You're here posting, so sign-up to DONATE MONTHLY!)
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To: fooman
Unfortunately Teddy Cruz has burned too many bridges. Stupid of him. Instead of promoting himself, Cruz keeps attacking Trump, resorting to stupid name-calling. As if Trump is in his head constantly. Weird.

Just yesterday, after his speech, which was quite good until he again felt compelled to attack Trump, he accused Trump of being biased against Muslims. I am beginning to wonder about Curz's mental state.

44 posted on 03/22/2016 5:38:15 AM PDT by apocalypto
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To: Kaslin
Then the mainstream media -- which has been giving him lavish coverage and acceding to his unusual demands for telephone interviews and non-mobile cameras -- will likely join the Democrats in unleashing attack after attack. That probably won't help!

Huh?

So, I guess we're supposed to have a nominee the media will like?

45 posted on 03/22/2016 5:40:43 AM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: DoodleDawg

Why? After Utah tonight, Cruz disappears...until Montana in June.


46 posted on 03/22/2016 5:41:43 AM PDT by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man a subject)
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To: apocalypto

Trump deserved to attacked on the neutrality thing.

Hillary destroyed Trump over this. Trump is having a hard time after destroying the republican party, starting with Scott Walker.

Cruz is doing a better job of unifying folks.

I think Hillary is going to win.


47 posted on 03/22/2016 5:48:00 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kin Jung mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Kaslin
These polls and their hysterical hyping by establishment dogs like Barone have one objective. Drive down Trump's numbers in the primaries. They believe that if they can convince enough voters that Trump has no chance against Hillary they will drive his voters to Cruz or Kasich.

It's not going to work!

48 posted on 03/22/2016 5:49:06 AM PDT by pgkdan (The Silent Majority Stands With TRUMP!)
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To: Kaslin

It’s stupid to predict the future 6 months from now with polls.


49 posted on 03/22/2016 5:49:47 AM PDT by Spirit of Liberty (Time to go Galt!)
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To: Baldwin77

Exactly. The grasping at straws by the beta male wing of the GOP continues.


50 posted on 03/22/2016 5:58:11 AM PDT by HombreSecreto (The life of a repo man is always intense)
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To: Kaslin

Those are BS poll numbers that Clinton leads Trump but Cruz leads Clinton.

If that were true, Cruz would not be a million primary votes and nearly 271 delegates behind Trump.


51 posted on 03/22/2016 6:00:08 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Kaslin

Kasich and Cruz are both slightly above Trump against Hillary according to these polls. The difference, Trump has had almost 300 million in negative ads against him, 2 political parties attacking him and the msm calling him Hotel. fascist and totalitarian for the last month while The other haven’t been touched at leasbSince SC. So all in all he’s doing really really well. Not that the numbers really matter at this point


52 posted on 03/22/2016 6:05:59 AM PDT by wiseprince
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To: Spirit of Liberty
That is why it is stupid to assume that trump will be the nominee just because he has 678 delegates right now from the 1237 that are needed and if he does get the 1237 delegates that is no guarantee that he gets the 270 electoral votes that he needs to win the election.

You know the rats can't win an honest election and will do anything to make sure Hillary Rotten Clinton will be the next president.

53 posted on 03/22/2016 6:08:07 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed theThe l ignorant to reelect him. He got them and now we have to pay the consequences)
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To: Kaslin

Who thinks it’s going to be a slam dunk? It’s going to be a tough fight. I simply think Trump is the best candidate to beat her. But it’s not going to be easy.


54 posted on 03/22/2016 6:09:36 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Turks (Muslims))
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To: albie

You mean, just like Newt Gingrich was a great debater.


55 posted on 03/22/2016 6:11:27 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Turks (Muslims))
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To: Kaslin; All

56 posted on 03/22/2016 6:16:13 AM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: Kaslin; All

57 posted on 03/22/2016 6:16:46 AM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: Kaslin

Funny how all of these liberal MSM, ROPe, Dems and liberals all claim he can’t win; these are the same ones who claimed he would be out before the first primary.., if it is such a slam dunk that Hillary beats Trump easily, why all of the protest and negative articles? They should be celebrating instead of protesting...


58 posted on 03/22/2016 6:17:01 AM PDT by martinidon
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To: Kaslin

These loons tics can hold their breath and keep telling themselves the big lie. Beck said to Mormons that evangelicals on the South did not listen to the voice of God when they voted for Trump

Cruz and his messianic behavior and followers have convinced me that outside of Hillary he is the most dangerous guy in the room


59 posted on 03/22/2016 6:17:56 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Enlightened1

Hitler did not drink and smoke either


60 posted on 03/22/2016 6:18:53 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed theThe l ignorant to reelect him. He got them and now we have to pay the consequences)
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