Posted on 02/21/2016 7:41:37 AM PST by george76
a Sanford police officer rushed into a third-floor apartment and shot five pit bull dogs as they attacked Virginia Farley, a 50-year-old woman who was taking care of several of her grandchildren.
She was critically injured, hurt so badly that six days later she still was unresponsive in an intensive care unit
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6 pits, 3 kids, 2 adults.
It's not clear why there were six pit bulls in Virginia Farley's two-bedroom apartment on Jan. 19, but Seminole County Animal Services records provide a big clue.
Farley has a long, checkered history with pit bulls, according to public records. So do two other family members.
(Excerpt) Read more at orlandosentinel.com ...
Like, it was soooo weird. Like, ya’ know, they never did that before. Just weird.
http://dogbitelaw.com/dog-bite-statistics/the-breeds-most-likely-to-kill
You could change the breed of dog here to a dozen others and get the same result. This is entirely the result of human stupidity.
Being stupid often comes with a very high price. And it can be pretty sad.
Recently we had some young men in their 20s, nice fellows by all accounts. They wrecked their car doing 100+ on a two lane country road & all 3 died. Quite sad. The results would have been the same regardless of the make of auto they were driving.
I understand what you are saying, but it isn’t the best analogy. A dog has some independent thinking, a car doesn’t.
After most dog attacks, the dog’s owner will always say,”Gee, Fluffy never attacked anyone before!” Well, of course NOT!! The dog would have been dealt with properly at that time.
Too bad it wasn’t Marl Sanford.
Yes, it is a somewhat imperfect analogy. But they are both subject to the control of a human if handled properly. A dog's propensities are basically a product of traits of that breed, being a dog period, and training, upbringing, environment. As well as the personality traits of that individual dog, regardless of breed.
One shouldn't expect a dog to think and reason like anything except a dog, anymore than one should expect a car to be safe at 110 mph on a 2 lane country road. If one does, then the error is human.
One doesn't put a dog breed that is a hunter /tracker in with very small dogs. The prey instinct makes them see a small dog the same as any other prey animal. That's not a flaw, that is a normal trait that one takes into account. If you do and the small dog gets mauled, it is the human's fault.
So, are dog attack stories the only things you post?
You could change the breed of dog here to a dozen others and get the same result. This is entirely the result of human stupidity.
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Those statements are true in a sense. There are likely a dozen dog breeds out there that have the heightened or hybrid killer instinct purposely bred into them and it is stupid to believe that this inbreeding disppaears by being nice to an animal. People subscribe to this none sense that nice extinguishes the killer genes and that is why some believe they can cuddle up to their pet lion or bear until the animal has a bad day. All animals have good days and bad days just like humans. You do not want to be on the receiving end of a killer animal on their bad day. I love animals, but I respect them for what they are. It is not their fault.
I should have checked first.
Must just be what you’re reading this morning.
My apologies.
But what does this really mean? Yes, the dog is a dumb animal and the people with bad judgement are to blame. But what is the bad judgement? Owning pit bulls! If you aren't running an illegal dog fighting ring then owning a pit bull is bad judgement. If it's only yourself at risk than I'd say that's a choice but those dogs can and do harm children and others at a disproportionate rate. So if it's the human's fault, is the remedy to not allow human's to own the breed?
“Yes, the dog is a dumb animal “
Heh. In the context of “dumb animal,” what is usually
meant is that it is unable to speak. The problem with
pit bulls is not how inarticulate they are, but how
likely they are to kill your a$$ relative to other breeds.
If you mean they aren’t very smart, I’d say anyone who
brings pit bulls into their home is the dummy, not the dog.
No, not in my opinion. The remedy is for people to be educated and responsible. Since some people will never be either, well, they pay for it. This applies to nearly everything in life.
Where do you stop with "not allow people to own...."? Isn't that where we are at now with nanny state liberalism? "If it saves just one person...it's for the children" ad nauseum.
VERY slippery slope. Why do you think we have so many dumb ass people? Because we are protecting morons from themselves. Whatever you want to learn, you can find 100s of highly accurate information sources online, in the library etc. It's not like people don't have the opportunity to educate themselves.
There are 300 million people in the US. Put that in perspective. Whatever problem you want to find, you can find with that many people if they have any freedom of choice at all.
Yep. The nicest dog in the world will snap at you if you grab his sore hip. All he knows is that you're hurting him.
Or to slightly rephrase:
I love women, but I respect them for what they are. It is not their fault they can't think like men.
How totally disingenuous (BTW that means you're LYING deliberately). Cars have no individual will. Dogs have different personalities and temperments depending on the breed. Pit bulls account for:
Of the 88 fatal dog attacks recorded by DogsBite.org, pit bull type dogs were responsible for 59% (52). This is equivalent to a pit bull killing a U.S. citizen every 21 days during this 3-year period.from www.dogsbite.orgThe data also shows that pit bulls commit the vast majority of off-property attacks that result in death. Only 18% (16) of the attacks occurred off owner property, yet pit bulls were responsible for 81% (13).
However, I agree with you that human stupidity caused the attack. The woman was terminally stupid in having that many pit bulls in her house.
Far more than a dozen dog breeds have killer instincts. My Yorkies are killers. Cuddly little guys, but they would take down a squirrel, rabbit, and the postman given the chance. haha
I agree with you that many people believe being nice to an animal will overcome instincts. I call it the Walt Disney effect. They believe all creatures will get along given nice conditions.
Anyone who tells me that their dog is harmless, I immediately distrust their judgment.
So you’re saying it’s just that pitbull owners are many, many times stupider than average dog owners? There’s nothing to their breeding in strength and kill drive?
Actually a LOT of dog owners are stupid....on their better days. A good sized, strong dog is just that. Fortunately most dumb ass dog owners own little yappers.
BTW, some Great Danes just mauled 4 kids yesterday. Seriously mauled.
I'm not lying about anything. I have an opinion based on real experience. If you disagree, that is certainly your privilege. If you wish to make your points, that is also your privilege.
But you will get nowhere (with me at least) in a discussion forum being rude and insulting. I've been on FR for a fairly decent run & I do not get nasty, rude & insulting to those with whom I strongly disagree & I expect the same courtesy.
Consider our dialog closed.
“A LOT” of dog owners being stupid does not explain the many times worse record of pitbulls than the rest of the dog world.
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