Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Cruz's Consular Report of Birth
Market-ticker.org ^ | 2/9/2015 | Karl Denninger

Posted on 02/09/2016 6:01:09 AM PST by zek157

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 141-154 next last
To: JJ_Folderol

No, because she became US citizen before his birth and his father was US citizen.


21 posted on 02/09/2016 6:12:41 AM PST by dforest
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: zek157

Can a baby lose US citizenship because his parents renounce it? I didn’t think so.

And Canadian law of course is immaterial from a US legal perspective.


22 posted on 02/09/2016 6:13:23 AM PST by 9YearLurker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SmokingJoe

Wonder why he waited till several months ago to renounce hos dual citizenship?


23 posted on 02/09/2016 6:13:27 AM PST by Sasparilla
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: zek157

He ought to have a CRBA, but that would be entirely immaterial as to whether or not Canada would or would not consider him a citizen. Canada is a foreign country with it own laws. No law or procedure of the United States could prevent Canada from claimig him as a citizen if that were their will. The need for renunciation of Canadian citizenship is not something required by our laws, but it is by theirs. That’s the reson the renunciation had to be made to the Canadian authorities, not the US.

The CRBA is useful, but it is not a requirement..


24 posted on 02/09/2016 6:13:49 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dforest

>>> No, because she became US citizen before his birth and his father was US citizen. <<<

Yeah? Where’s the paper trail.


25 posted on 02/09/2016 6:14:09 AM PST by JJ_Folderol (Just my opinion and only worth what you paid for it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: zek157

In before the multi-thousand word copy’n’paste replies, replete with giant fonts and cap-locking.


26 posted on 02/09/2016 6:14:39 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Falcon 105)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SmokingJoe

Joe,

How did this occur if it wasn’t a legal option? Ted Cruz, who was a dual citizen, formally renounced his Canadian citizenship in 2014.

Laws are for the little people?


27 posted on 02/09/2016 6:15:10 AM PST by zek157
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: JJ_Folderol

I don’t have it, but am quite sure Trump does.

Trump does have a US birth certificate. Cruz does not.


28 posted on 02/09/2016 6:15:51 AM PST by dforest
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: ziravan

He was NBC Canadian at the time of his birth at least according to Canadian law at that time. I had to get the CRBA for my kids born in Germany or they would not have been recognized as US citizens and issued US passports. Just saying “I am American” would not have cut it.


29 posted on 02/09/2016 6:16:39 AM PST by jospehm20
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: zek157

I’ve been asking to see the CRBA for a month.

You are correct to point out how important it is.


30 posted on 02/09/2016 6:16:40 AM PST by Jim Noble (I won't be laughing at the lies when I'm gone, and I won't question what or when or why when I'm gon)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: zek157

This is getting to sound like the mysterious Zero birth certificate with a slightly different twist,


31 posted on 02/09/2016 6:17:35 AM PST by iontheball
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Sasparilla

Has Donald Trump (who acquired British citizenship at birth because his mother was a natural born British citizen) ever renounced his British citizenship?


32 posted on 02/09/2016 6:18:29 AM PST by SmokingJoe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Gaffer

Glad you cleared that up, I was thinking, now there’s a guy that really plans ahead!


33 posted on 02/09/2016 6:18:40 AM PST by Rusty0604 (1q)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: zek157

Either courts will worry about such a document or—since his mother was a US citizen—they won’t.

According to US law, US law trumps Canadian law—so if Canadian law saw him as a citizen who must have a Consular Report of Birth to prove him a US citizen... that doesn’t matter.

This is silly. The First Congress’s law of 1790 declares, “And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens.”

First Congress laws—since that congress consisted of those who composed the Constitution, the Founding Fathers themselves—are the strongest indicator of original intent...and definitely are much more relevant than Canadian law from 200 years later.

End of story.


34 posted on 02/09/2016 6:19:05 AM PST by AnalogReigns (Real life is ANALOG...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dforest

A while back, I posted an image of Trump’s birth certificate, and a Cruz supporter dismissed it as a forgery, just like Obama’s.

You can’t win.


35 posted on 02/09/2016 6:19:44 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Falcon 105)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: JJ_Folderol

When Mama Trump became a U.S. citizen a few years before The Donald’s birth, she had to renounce her U.K. citizenship. Renouncing your homeland’s citizenship was mandatory in order to be granted U.S. citizenship back then. Today she could be a ‘dual citizen’ which I personally think is nonsense, but the current law.


36 posted on 02/09/2016 6:19:47 AM PST by EDINVA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Gaffer

Thanks for the clarification....haven’t had enough coffee, yet, this morning and that was a real brain teaser ;-)


37 posted on 02/09/2016 6:21:37 AM PST by Jane Long (Go Trump, go! Make America Safe Again :)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: All
Waiting for Cruz/s Slippery Shuffle....to see how he escapes from this one.

If Cruz/s parents declared US citizenship for him in Canada, then he has a document called a Consular Report of Birth Abroad.....the legal equivalent of a US Birth Certificate.

Cruz either has one from the time of his birth or he does not. If he does not then he is not a US Citizen....as he was never naturalized by his own admission.

More importantly, Cruz/s birthplace did not recognize dual nationality. So it appears Cruz schemed to dupe Texas voters by the charade of renouncing his Canadian citizenship (after the Dallas Morning News exposed him).

Cruz either has that Consular Report of Birth Abroad, which is his legal proof of US Citizenship or he doesn't.

Would appear his parents never applied for it....making Cruz a bonafide Canadian.

Significantly, Canada prohibited dual nationality at the time of Cruz/s birth.

If Cruz can/t produce Consular Report of Birth Abroad, there's a little problem with the US Senate office Cruz holds now (and was elected to under false pretenses) .......not to mention his aspirations to be US President.

The Texas voters he represents also have a gripe or two.

38 posted on 02/09/2016 6:21:48 AM PST by Liz (SAFE PLACE? A liberal's mind. Nothing's there. Nothing can penetrate it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jagusafr

The issue isn’t citizenship but natural born. I have no idea but wish the issue would go away. If there is a document Cruz can release I wish he would unseal it so we can look at issues that liberals are using to destroy America and this.


39 posted on 02/09/2016 6:21:50 AM PST by nclaurel
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: JJ_Folderol

LOL.


40 posted on 02/09/2016 6:22:11 AM PST by Jane Long (Go Trump, go! Make America Safe Again :)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 141-154 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson