They were not dressed in camo..."
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Posted on 02/03/2016 4:36:00 AM PST by Nextrush
The family of Robert "LaVoy" Finicum issued a second, stronger statement calling the shooting death of the refuge occupier unjustified and accusing the FBI and Oregon State Police of a cover-up.
The family, who released the second statement Tuesday through its lawyer, drew its conclusions based on further viewing of the video released by the FBI last week and accounts of the shooting from Shawna Cox, a passenger in Finicum's truck who was released last week.
Based on the video and two eyewitness accounts, the statement said, "what we believe the video shows is that LaVoy was being fired upon before he even got our of the truck."
The family members said they believed Finicum left his white truck to draw fire away from the other three occupants, which included an 18-year-old girl. The FBI has been unwilling to release details of exactly how many times and where Finicum was shot.
"We believe he had already been shot before he ever lowered his hands," the statement continued. "We believe some of his hand movements were a natural reflex to being shot."
The family commissioned its own autopsy on Finicum that was completed over the weekend, according to a family member. The family hasn't released details from that autopsy.
The family contends that the FBI released a grainy, edited video without audio in an attempt to 'sway public opinion from the outset."
Finicum's family called on the FBI to release all audio recordings from the shooting, including what Cox recorded on her phone. They also requested all unedited video taken by drones, body cameras and dash cameras as well as close-up images of Finicum's truck after the shooting......
(Excerpt) Read more at oregonlive.com ...
We are all God's children, LaVoy Finicum and those who shot him dead. May God Bless LaVoy's family and those members of law enforcement who killed him.
But in an analytical sense, I think we have a person or persons whose names will be 'excrement' in the eyes of many people.
The official investigation is said to be lasting four to six weeks more.
What ever happened to Tasers? Black mobs burned down 246 buildings in Baltimore and Ferguson, and killed 5 people, and not one was shot by police. However police DID taze several people who were looting.
I sympathize with their cause, and the death could very well have been unjustified. But had guns not been introduced by the occupiers any such death would not even be in question and the deceased would be a hero and a martyr.
What I’m saying here is perception matters when it comes to public opinion. Peaceful ranchers demonstrating against government policy dressed in western wear, not camo, come off as looking like peaceful ranchers. Their message as being oppressed would have been heard.
Instead they came in looking militant which really hurt their cause in public opinion. Add to it theft and destruction of property, and they came off looking like radical kooks.
It could have been planned so much better with their right to assemble on public land and demonstrate not being challenged at all.
The comments on the Oregon Live page are disgusting.
fighting the Leviathan will get you killed. What is the surprise? Anytime you cross the line or resist you are at risk of death. It’s the social contract we signed when we were born as citizens of this country.
That’s the reason we need virtuous leaders. The tone is set from the top. So unless you start with the realization that property rights, real “civil” rights and Christian conservatives are considered the enemy of the state you are underestimating the threat you pose to the bureaucratic/legislative power elites that live of our taxes and are not inclined to give up their easy grifter lives. Because pushing paper and pounding untrained poorly armed resistors is easy compared to actually going out in the private sector to earn a living.
For the record, Ammon Bundy, LaVoy Finicum and others at the refuge I saw were dressed in cowboy hats and cowboy clothes, carrying sidearms on their persons for personal protection.
They were not dressed in camo like the FBI and other law enforcement people I saw in the area around the refuge and at the Burns Municipal Airport compound.
When the Idaho III Percenters rolled in a week or so after the the occupation began, they displayed long guns, flak jackets and camo outfits.
Ammon Bundy asked them to leave because that was not his way of doing business.
So I think you need to get your story straight because I’ve been watching this story since the night it began (January 2nd).
Fear has been spread by the mainstream media and liberal political leaders like Governor Kate Brown about the occupation leading to the FBI gearing up with the black helicopter, armored vehicles and so on.
“Looks like we have a new Randy Weaver and new Ruby Ridge for the days in which we live.”
No.
Just no.
Randy Weaver was setup on charges by a confidential informant because he refused to become a federal confidential informant himself. They then pursued him to his home in the woods and a sniper shot his wife while she held a baby in her arms.
That is NOT the same as someone trying to takeover federal land, fleeing an arrest, trying to run a road block, and then staggering out of the vehicle reaching for their waistband after making comments about how they’d die before going to jail.
It is not the same. At all.
They were not dressed in camo..."
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This is the proper response. There should be a lawsuit.
Just because we don’t like the way someone believes that is no reason to kill them.
This is an important video, imho, that goes through some details of the shooting step by step from the viewpoint of a retired cop. There are relevant comments pertaining to lawsuit in it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM5x6rVVMVk&feature=youtu.be
“....The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”
Lavoy and those with him were exercising that right....
But they didn’t shoot at the feds/leo’s, even when the feds opened up on them.
Lavoy’s car was ambushed & shot on, he moved off, was ambushed again, and shot at when he got out.
Video shows he had his hands up, and was reacting to being shot (taser or gun).
I would think you would use a Taser against unarmed suspects. Finicum was known to carry a weapon with him and it would have been prudent for the authorities to assume he was armed when confronted.
That’s hunting gear camo, not military style gear.
They had no guns with them.
Once again, we have two (or more) conflicting stories. Do we believe the family or the All Mighty Government? The Oath keepers or the jackbooted arm of the All Mighty Government, the FBI?
Just this past weekend there was a gunfight between two outlaw biker gangs in Denver. One killed, several wounded. NO arrest made! Why? Apparently none of the dead or wounded were members of the Iron Order.
One of the outlaw biker gangs is composed of “law enforcement” officials. The Iron Order. The other gang consists of an organized crime family. The Mongols.
So really, the question remains, who is the most trustworthy? The family and the Oath Keepers or the All might Government?
Looks like cowboy clothes to me. You are trying too hard to justify his death/likely murder.
The militia didn’t go into this with guns blazing, which should have been a clue to the FBI etc. on how to handle thimgs. Why is it that I associate the terms “maturity” and “self-restraint” with the citizenry and not the government whenever these sorts of conflicts arise?
Mark for read
Publicly stating you prefer death over prison, running from a police stop and then attempting to avoid a police road block (nearly running over a LEO in the attempt), getting out of the vehicle, staggering around and reaching for your waistband after weeks of making a big deal of being armed is 'suicide by cop'.
You're trying too hard to not take the man at his word that he wasn't going to jail.
Why is it that I associate the terms “maturity†and “self-restraint†with the citizenry and not the government whenever these sorts of conflicts arise?
Why do you associate "maturity" and "self-restraint" with someone who tries to run police road blocks?
If Finicum showed the "maturity" and "self-restraint" of EVERYONE ELSE who was detained at that stop he'd be alive like them. He chose death over jail. His choice.
The narration on the video is not objective IMHO. I can see the video myself and I frankly don’t see it the way the narrator sees it.
LaVoy almost killed a cop when he threatened to ram the roadblock and then swerved at the last second. If he hadn’t swerved he might have killed a couple or more of the cops behind the roadblock. LaVoy had vowed that he was not going to be taken alive and the cops knew at the time he was shot that he was armed and dangerous. From an objective viewpoint it appears that right before he was dropped he was reaching inside his coat. Some people think he was tugging at wires from a taser. Maybe, but that at this point is speculation. It looked to me like he was going for a weapon.
If the FBI was looking for blood, they would have raided the compound weeks ago. These guys left the compound. They were all wanted on federal warrants and they were all armed. They ran a traffic stop and then they almost rammed a roadblock. LaVoy jumped from the vehicle in an apparent attempt to make a run for it into the woods. He put his hands up when he saw a cop but didn’t stop moving. He made an aggressive move inside his coat and he was shot.
That’s the way I see it.
Incoming!
That was a stupid sheeple comment
There are serious issues that need clarity:
1. Reports say that no one in any vehicle went to that meeting armed. There were zero weapons according to the report.
2. Reports say that Finicum was already shot (by something) and hand movements could have been a reaction to pain. A sound track would make this evident.
3. This cop says that a drone and/or helicopter monitoring this entire episode suggests these authorities had prepared for this departure by these two vehicles, and that the roadblocks say the same.
4. IF they had been under constant surveillance why had this not happened on their other visits to town meetings?
5. What does it hurt to impound all evidence and have it reviewed by both authorities and family representatives? After all, a man has been killed in a questionable manner.
6. Finally, there was no reason for a confrontation. No one had been hurt at all.
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