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Vanity - My letter to the Maine GOP on Cruz Eligibility
Vanity ^ | January 18, 2016 | vanity

Posted on 01/18/2016 7:19:37 AM PST by Cboldt

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To: Duchess47
-- As I read our Revised Statutes the Secretary of State and the Attorney General have to address challenges to a candidate's qualifications based on the Constitution or NRS. --

Heh. You'll run into the legal reality that when you vote in the general, you vote for an elector. Don;t let 'em off the hook with that, you are voting in a primary, which is run directly on the candidates. There is no "elector" (of the electoral college) interposed between you and the candidate in a primary.

If the state's election resources are being used to conduct the election, the state has an interest.

The roadblock put up by these officials is that they are not competent to render a ruling, out of their jurisdiction, etc.

So, back to public notice using Rogers v. Bellei. Cruz is easily shown to be unqualified (the same as if he was a 13 year old, would they let a 13 year old run?). Now they KNOW he is not qualified, and they choose to do nothing about it. Abdication of duty. Total disregard for the public. Enabling and endorsing a falsehood.

81 posted on 01/18/2016 11:19:08 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

I don’t expect anything from my SofS or the Attorney General. Especially since my AG endorses Cruz. I do hope though that they will go on record to me as to their stands. I really hope that a letter to the editor will at least make some people question it.


82 posted on 01/18/2016 11:23:20 AM PST by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: Cboldt
Cboldt, you are exactly right.

It is quite curious no matter how one looks at it.

By all appearances, our highly paid, sleeping at the gate guards seem to have had their hearts and minds elsewhere for some reason or motivation.

Seems like even a dull TSA agent on break wouldn't have missed something that obvious, right?

Curious...not sure what to make of that.

Usually mysteries at such a high level are irresistible, but odd how we now let so much go with so little interest and just a quick dismissal.

Yep, it's yet another mystery inside a mystery solved with riddle wrapped up by an enigmatic personality for which he was given a new house, staff, unlimited use of the plane and, as a preliminary bonus, a peremptory Nobel Peace prize.

It's quite a head scratcher, that's for sure...

83 posted on 01/18/2016 12:38:34 PM PST by GBA (Here in the matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Don Corleone
The RNC is more than willing to commit the same crime as did San Fran Nan and certify a candidate that they know is ineligible.

Agree, but this thread is not about Rubio.

84 posted on 01/18/2016 2:21:45 PM PST by YankeeinOkieville (Obamanation [oh-bom-uh-nay-shuhn] n. -- ignorance and arrogance in the highest offices)
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To: Cboldt

Jason Savage?

Is this cat that idiot Michael Weiner’s kin?

I am so glad the local talk radio put him away in the afternoon, I can’t stand that guy.


85 posted on 01/18/2016 4:53:43 PM PST by West Texas Chuck (OBAMA: Fundamentally Twerking America)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; Cboldt
A bit of sound advice from a Freeper attorney...
86 posted on 01/19/2016 7:52:06 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: traderrob6
"Bottom line is this.... If the framers meant native born they would have used that term, they didn't, they used natural born. Unfortunately other than the Naturalization Act of 1790, which was superceded, it was never defined again."

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It wasn't just superceded, the 1790 Act was actually repealed. The 1795 Act specifically states such.

87 posted on 01/20/2016 5:17:28 AM PST by 2pets
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To: 2pets

“Superseded definition, to replace in power, authority, effectiveness, acceptance,
use, etc., as by another person or thing.”

You need to learn the meanings of words.


88 posted on 01/20/2016 5:47:04 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: wardaddy

This is a most informative thread.


89 posted on 01/20/2016 5:58:07 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts

The OP is the usual Levin like post

No distinction between the rarely used term natural born and naturalized

And then discounts anyone who queries natural born as perpetuating a fraud

Even Cruz did this with the first 8 presidents comparison

Smart people are dodging and ducking and counter accusing

Natural born is mentioned twice by the founders in binding documents and anyone paying attention knows where

Everything else quoted is about naturalized etc

I confess no one knows for sure because Cruz is the first test

Had Obama actually been born in Kenya he would have been as well

The natural born deniers have to rest on the notion it never meant anything special or that revising various means by which citizenship was granted or born to negated the specific language natural born

Yet and this is where I see the problem

The term natural born used in Constitution pertaining to POTUS and the definition of that term in the subsequent 1790 act has never been super ceded by name

Never

Therein lies the rub

It is disheartening to see those who know better in media etc purposely ignoring that

For me personally it takes too much time to explain this to people not interested in empirical observation

It took me about half hour of research and I’m half as smart as Levin or Cruz

Some court will look at this if Cruz gets nomination and will have to rule on law or founders intent

And that is anyone’s guess

Living breathing versus literal I suppose or just simply bias

Courts are very political today

(Editorializing not directed at anyone in particular)


90 posted on 01/20/2016 10:22:59 AM PST by wardaddy (Trump or Cruz.......its win win folks......so take a John Riggins pill .......lie on the carpet)
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To: wardaddy

I have decided to call those who do not care about their birthright having the mind of Esau..he sold his birthright for a bowl of red pottage (lentils) And then lost the blessing as well. God did not much like Esau.

No act of Congress or a court can make Cruz natural born.


91 posted on 01/20/2016 10:46:39 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: traderrob6
"Superseded definition, to replace in power, authority, effectiveness, acceptance, use, etc., as by another person or thing."

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No, YOU do...

repeal: revoke or annul (a law or congressional act)

92 posted on 01/25/2016 6:23:17 AM PST by 2pets
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To: 2pets

You treat being obtuse as if it were a virtue LOL.


93 posted on 01/25/2016 7:58:08 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: P-Marlowe

After all, Vattel insisted that the right of Citizenship flowed from the father.

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Glad to see you are finally getting on the right side of this discussion. Perhaps Ted can run for mayor of Havana.


94 posted on 01/25/2016 8:05:27 AM PST by AFret.
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To: traderrob6
The fact remains that the 1795 Act, brought forth by James Madison and his co-Committee members, was enacted in 1795 and those born abroad to US citizen parents were no longer designated as 'natural born citizens.'

That hasn't changed in the last 220 years to present day.

Congress had the chance in 2004 to reinstate 'natural born citizen' status to those born abroad to US citizen parents, but did not.

2004 Senate bill 2128

95 posted on 01/25/2016 9:44:49 AM PST by 2pets
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