Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article


1 posted on 12/24/2015 6:40:18 AM PST by C19fan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


To: C19fan

If only climate “science” ...


2 posted on 12/24/2015 6:49:48 AM PST by LoneStar42 (Turn right.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: C19fan

The very definition of science and the use of the scientific method has been turned on its ear by the “enlightened” in our public schools and universities. One only need to look at “climate science” as a recent example of the bastardization of the use of the word.


3 posted on 12/24/2015 6:50:25 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: C19fan

That also goes for multi-verse, macro evolution and anthropogenic climate change. But at least we have consensus and peer review. Of course, it was consensus and peer review that turned Gallileo over to the inquisition. But hey, nobody’s perfect.


4 posted on 12/24/2015 6:51:05 AM PST by D Rider
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: C19fan

Dr. Sheldon Cooper will be apoplectic when he hears this!


5 posted on 12/24/2015 7:04:35 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 ((VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: C19fan

The fact that string theory has not yet developed falsifiable hypotheses doesn’t mean that it will never do so.

In other words, no matter how unlikely it might seem, this wacky set of ideas may eventually become a “science” according to a strict Popperian definition.

Ergo, let’s give the string theoreticians a while to fool around with their crazy notions, then check back with them in about 100 years to see if they’ve been able to develop the requisite hypotheses.


7 posted on 12/24/2015 7:20:17 AM PST by Hawthorn
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: C19fan

It’s at best fringe theoretical physics. But more of a metaphor of what COULD be.


10 posted on 12/24/2015 7:28:09 AM PST by VanDeKoik
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: C19fan
The concept of 'falsifiability' cannot itself be falsified.

This has been known for quite some time. Also, nothing learned via the empirical method counts as absolute knowledge since unless you can study all phenomenon over all time and space you can't say for absolute certain that anything learned empirically counts as a law.

This has also been known for centuries.

The only thing that science has accomplished with regard to pure knowledge is to be able to say with high probability that if certain well run experiments are conducted then scientists can predict with high certainty what specific measured values will be.

Somehow this seemingly sketchy process has resulted in huge technological leaps throughout history through a combination of the scientific method, engineering, tinkering, and an occasional happy accident.

String Theory is in its infancy. It might very well be nonsense. Even though no one has yet come up with a practical experiment to test it, there are hints of what such an experiment might be like. My understanding is that the recent measurements at CERN have already ruled out some versions of String Theory so it seems some parts, at least on the edges, are testable.

12 posted on 12/24/2015 7:33:18 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: C19fan
Pretty terrible article, which gives credit to recent critics of String Theory but doesn't acknowledge the earliest and most courageous opponents who were Peter Voit and Lee Smolin.

It also goes a bit too far. String Theory is based on earlier ideas, which most certainly were science, it contains requirements that we know a unified theory must have [so it is limited by genuine scientific constraints] and it actually does make some falsifiable predictions, which, although they appear at energies we will probably never reach in terrestrial labs, might have consequences we can falsify or verify in other ways.

All-in-all an article typical of the lay press: long on drama, and very, very short of facts on the ground.

14 posted on 12/24/2015 7:41:52 AM PST by FredZarguna (Deathblow: "Not because of who you are, but because of different reasons altogether.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: C19fan
Not sure I completely agree with the author. It wasn't that long ago that the Higgs Boson (God's) particle was nothing more than a theory. It could only become a falsifiable hypothesis after the LHC was operational and it could be empirically tested. To bitch and say we can't test string theory misses the point. If nothing else, things like this point to technologies that must be in place before we can perform a test.
15 posted on 12/24/2015 7:42:22 AM PST by econjack (I'm not bossy...I just know what you should be doing.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: C19fan

Throw Dark matter in the garbage with it!


16 posted on 12/24/2015 7:48:24 AM PST by Crucial (At the heart all leftists is the fear that the truth is bigger than themselves.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: C19fan

If one is dealing in theoretical physics, how does one prove/disprove something that is entirely based on theory with no way to actually measure/test other than mathematical proofs?

I am not a scientist, but did stay in a cheap Holiday Inn Express last night. . .with a cheap hooker. . .JUST kidding. . .as far as you know. . .

;-)


20 posted on 12/24/2015 8:16:57 AM PST by Hulka
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: C19fan
String theory are tangled up.
ping
24 posted on 12/24/2015 11:08:04 AM PST by minnesota_bound
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: C19fan

Good article.

Thanks for posting.

Here’s a good explanation of what string theory is all about:

http://www.sciencealert.com/watch-the-best-explanation-of-string-theory-we-ve-ever-seen


30 posted on 12/26/2015 4:31:36 PM PST by samtheman (Only Trump can beat the Saudi-funded Fraud Machine in the general election.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: C19fan; D Rider; Hawthorn; SunkenCiv; Oberon; FredZarguna; econjack; Reeses; samtheman
I think that the article is unfair in the sense that string theory actually is a very big family of different variants of string theories, and we do not yet know how to reduce it to just a few theories and test them. But it is for sure science.

Here are two views about the article:
Lubos Motl: String theory is as much science as other pillars of science. Siegel’s criticism of string theory is fully analogous to a criticism of heliocentrism
http://motls.blogspot.se/2015/12/string-theory-is-as-much-science-as.html

and

Peter Voit: Why String Theory?

https://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=8214

31 posted on 12/27/2015 4:05:42 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson