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For veterans with Gulf War Illness, an explanation for the unexplainable symptoms
Science Daily ^ | 9/10/2015 | American Physiological Society (APS)

Posted on 09/13/2015 9:49:15 AM PDT by JimSEA

One in four Gulf War veterans suffers from Gulf War Illness (GWI). The condition is characterized by unexplainable chronic fatigue, muscle pain and cognitive dysfunction and may be associated with exposure to chemicals, many identified as genotoxins, during deployment. Previous studies suggest that the symptoms of GWI are due to dysfunction of the mitochondria, the site in cells where molecules that power the body's processes are produced. Not producing enough energy slows down the body and leaves the individual feeling tired. New preliminary research to be presented at "Physiological Bionergetics: From Bench to Bedside" shows for the first time direct evidence of greater mitochondrial damage in Gulf War veterans.

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TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: illnesses; iraq
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This could be any of a number of genotoxins from radioactive materials to chemical agents to viruses.
1 posted on 09/13/2015 9:49:15 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: JimSEA

It’s a reaction to intense Jihad.


2 posted on 09/13/2015 9:52:04 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Ive given up on aphostrophys and spell chek on my current devices...one uses Brit spel now.)
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To: JimSEA

To say nothing of the cocktails soldiers are injected with before going there to try PREVENTING the chem/bio stuff.


3 posted on 09/13/2015 9:52:58 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart ("The road is long...and I must poop." - Volarian Lionheart/Hero of the people)
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Though I didn't have to go over there, they shot us up with all kinds of stuff. Afterward, we had to sit in the parking lot for half an hour, to make sure nobody had any reactions.

I thought for sure I had Gulf War Syndrome, irritable bowel, chronic fatigue. Doing a lot better now.

4 posted on 09/13/2015 10:01:07 AM PDT by real saxophonist (YouTube + Twitter + Facebook = YouTwitFace.com)
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To: real saxophonist

And I’d bet none of it was classified anything but ‘experimental’ much less approved for use on humans outside the Mil either.


5 posted on 09/13/2015 10:04:00 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart ("The road is long...and I must poop." - Volarian Lionheart/Hero of the people)
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To: JimSEA

BTTT....


6 posted on 09/13/2015 10:10:33 AM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: JimSEA

Our battalion surgeon advised us not to take the chemical agent preventative pills. He and the company command staff threw theirs out into the sand and the troops followed suit.

List time I was in touch none of our guys had gotten anything untoward.


7 posted on 09/13/2015 10:23:43 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

There is a scene in the movie “Jarhead, in which the Marines line up and had to filled out a waiver/disclaimer for a pill they were hqaving to take. It was an antrhax vaccine, according to the papers signed. I pointed out to my wife as we were watching it recently that I remember filling out and signing that paper work and taking that pill. Were were together when I was deployed; I guess I never told her about that, though. She flipped out and started riding my backside, yet again, about going to the VA to be looked at. Her cousin who is a GW1 and GW 2 vet and a VA claims rep tells me the same thing when I talk to him.


8 posted on 09/13/2015 10:27:06 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: MrEdd

That’s very interesting. Could the chemical agent preventative pills have had a lower intensity reaction than the chemical agent itself by mutating the DNA? I could see the possibility. It wouldn’t be the first time the cure damaged the subject to a lessor degree than the agent.


9 posted on 09/13/2015 10:28:38 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Norm Lenhart

We stood around reading the physicians desk reference on anthrax before taking it. I remember something like it had never really been used on humans.


10 posted on 09/13/2015 10:31:35 AM PDT by stanne
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This could be any of a number of genotoxins from radioactive materials to chemical agents to viruses.Pay no attention to the cocktail of antoiviral inoculants that these warriors were administered as part of their deployment.
11 posted on 09/13/2015 10:38:27 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: stanne

Thus all the legal paperwork.


12 posted on 09/13/2015 10:43:46 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart ("The road is long...and I must poop." - Volarian Lionheart/Hero of the people)
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To: JimSEA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyridostigmine

Pyridostigmine was the pill. The problem is fairly straightforward. It normally doesn’t cross the blood/brain barrier.
But it can do so in some people, under acute stress, like in a war. When it does, you get what we see as gulf war syndrome.
It also explains why some people side by side taking the same pills got it, when their buddy didn’t. Taken in conjunction with numerous other drugs, that was it.

Simple as that. The Cipro for anthrax wasn’t anything more than an enormous antibiotic.


13 posted on 09/13/2015 10:47:54 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but comSUrfmunists just ran for office)
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To: Rodamala

That’s not to say the condition might be caused by some unexpected interaction with the antiviral cocktail or a virus not blocked by the cocktail.


14 posted on 09/13/2015 10:55:23 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: stanne

Cipro was the Anthrax drug. Nothing at all odd about that. The Pyridostigimine was also a human drug, but it had never been used on healthy people as a nerve agent pretreatment. It’s normal use is on people with Myasthenia gravis.

None of the drugs were in the “never used on a human before” category.

But the syndrome is real. Unfortunately, it has been vastly complicated by some vets with a grifter attitude (they do exist) who hope to cash in with a disability check. They muddy the water by claiming all kinds of symptoms and causes, many imagined.

Real Gulf War Syndrome is undeniable, with things like hair loss, tremendous atrophy, etc. Some are literally wheelchair bound. The slackers who try to claim everything as Gulf War related hurt the guys who really got it. Just because you got a cancer or your Johnson stops working 20 years and 70 pounds later doesn’t automatically make it Gulf War.


15 posted on 09/13/2015 11:06:30 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but comSUrfmunists just ran for office)
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To: JimSEA

And interactions yes, that needs to be studied.


16 posted on 09/13/2015 11:10:40 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but comSUrfmunists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino

I’m not talking about a drug. I’m talking about the vaccine


17 posted on 09/13/2015 11:12:11 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Turbo Pig

do some research first if you have symptoms. If you have a private doctor, go there. Your wife is your battle buddy at home.


18 posted on 09/13/2015 11:12:14 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: DesertRhino

Ease up.


19 posted on 09/13/2015 11:13:15 AM PDT by stanne
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To: DesertRhino

Grifter. Right. Nothing like living off the VA for a good deal.


20 posted on 09/13/2015 11:15:29 AM PDT by stanne
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