The Neoconservatives: Tyranny's Fifth Column

http://www.thedailybell.com/ ^ | April 30, 2015 | Nelson Hultberg

[Pelham]

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[wardaddy]

Funny isn’t it

The Neos.....Bushies back in the day

Don’t command the forum or the bolt here anymore

Neo errors:

Nation building in geography we have not utterly crushed is foolhardy and naive

A total lack of understanding what it means to be anti abortion to your core

Lukewarm appreciation of the second amendment

Approval of amnesty for illegals and even more legal third world immigration(we fought this battle here already....my side won if folks look around )

Politically correct views on race and an unwillingness to accept empirical realities which don’t dovetail with cultural relativism

Wavering on fiscal matters when it suits governments role in a way they approve for ostensibly improving lives

And so forth.....all that describes Neoconservatives.....especially their disdain for social issues

Any notion the founders were Neos is rubbish and nor was Reagan or Goldwater...part Jewish btw

Nor is Levin....although he is a bit of a neoyankee he sure understands culture borders and the fallacy of nation building on a whim ....and he gets Islam as a problem...something Neos gloss over as a rule

This refrain of calling us anti Semites who oppose Neos is no different than race baiting

It’s either just to shut dissent down or in a few peculiar cases....anything remotely associated as being a Jewish shall never be criticized as in the Holocaust Card goes on forever

[driftless2]

Many present conservatives were libs at an earlier age. So you want to condemn Krauthammer because he had the good sense to junk most of his liberal beliefs and identify as a conservative?

[B4Ranch]

I don’t have a problem with conservative Jews or anyone else that is conservative and believes in small government. The ones who irk me are the ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS. They seem to think that being Republican should cover their tracks. More and more of the Jews I meet today are outright socialists and don’t even realize they could be voting for either Party and be accomplishing the same results. I moved over to being an Independent ten years ago and I’m satisfied it was the right move.

Now if we can get Palin or Cruz in the White Hut I might change back but I doubt that’s going to happen.

[ek_hornbeck]

Approval of amnesty for illegals and even more legal third world immigration(we fought this battle here already....my side won if folks look around )

Politically correct views on race and an unwillingness to accept empirical realities which don’t dovetail with cultural relativism

This refrain of calling us anti Semites who oppose Neos is no different than race baiting

A lot of libertarian/paleoconservative criticisms of neoconservatism focus largely on foreign policy. Certainly the neoconservative obsession with world democracy and nation building has been bad news, but that's the tip of the iceberg when it comes to ways they've corrupted the GOP and movement conservatism.

One of their major corruptions of movement conservatism was making LBJ Great Society welfare statism the norm among the GOP establishment. Bush's "compassionate conservatism" (i.e. liberalism with some mealy-mouthed conservative rhetoric for sugarcoat) was the most obvious example.

Their other main corruption was giving the GOP its own version of political correctness and multiculturalism. All neocon-approved candidates support amnesty for illegals and liberal immigration policies.

[samtheman]

Krauthammer may have been erroneously lumped into this nefarious group because he is so strong on national defense and the defense of Israel, two traits which, by themselves, do not make someone a neocon.

Reagan wasn’t a neocon.

[lonestar67]

I think Washington’s advice is excellent.

He certainly earned the right to give it

after risking everything to lead a WAR against the British to win independence.

But freedom isn’t free is it?

That is the terrible ethic from which the evil neocons derive their wisdom.

Whether Washington or Jefferson or any array of American presidents— the continual vigilance and even use of force is necessary for the maintenance of liberty.

It is actually much easier to protect that force today than it was for Washington. The fact that the British came back in 1812 to trash Washington DC was emblematic of how necessary the use of force is.

[Pelham]

If you can find Krauthammer saying he was wrong in 1984 I’ll be impressed.

I’ve never seen it yet and doubt it exists. He just lets people assume whatever they want.

[Pelham]

“The offensives of radicalism have driven vast herds of liberals across the border into our territories. These refugees now speak in our name, but the language they speak is the same one they always spoke...Our estate has been taken over by an imposter, just as we were about to inherit”

-Clyde Wilson, commenting on neoconservatives crowding out traditional conservatives and replacing them with 1960s Cold War liberalism.

[sargon]

Yes, that’s right....Charles Krauthammer is an evil Jewish neo-con who means to establish a Marxist world order under the guise of conservatism. Sure. My advice to you....lay off the LSD.

I don't know about all that, but I DO know that Kraurhammer is an anti-gun fanatic, who doesn't give a crap about the Second Amendment.

And anybody that ignorant is no Patriot.

[driftless2]

There was documentary on Krauthammer done by FOX a few months ago where he talked about his conversion from liberalism to conservativism. It seemed most of it was due to his desire for a strong military and the fight against communism. The video might still be on FOX or somewhere on the internet.

I'm not claiming that everything Krauthammer says or does is conservative. But he clearly does not consider himself a liberal, and most liberals definitely consider him a conservative.

I doubt more than few people considered to be conservatives could satisfy the desires of many other conservatives. There are a number of people who write for conservative mags like National Review who've written or made comments I don't consider as being conservative. But I don't consider those people to be liberals. I consider them to be conservatives with a few erroneous beliefs.

If you consider somebody a liberal because out of twenty positions considered conservative stands that person only believes in eighteen or nineteen, then I don't know what to say.

I've watched Krauthammer on FOX Special Report over the years relentlessly hammer Obama on a great variety of issues. Rarely have I heard him agree with Obama on anything. Liberals simply don't say the things about Obama (or many other liberals) Krauthammer says about him.

[Pelham]

“There was documentary on Krauthammer done by FOX a few months ago where he talked about his conversion from liberalism to conservativism. It seemed most of it was due to his desire for a strong military and the fight against communism. “

That isn’t a ‘conversion’. It’s a restatement of Cold War Liberal Internationalism. Every 1960s liberal Democrat believed exactly the same thing.

And that’s what Charles Krauthammer is. He’s no more a conservative than Hubert Humphrey or Walter Mondale, the man he wanted for President over Ronald Reagan.

The first batch of ‘neoconservatives’ were Democrat hawks who were unhappy when the McGovern faction took over. They became even more unhappy when the insipid Jimmy Carter let the Soviet Union run amuck.

When Reagan won the Republican nomination in 1980 some of these Cold War Democrats supported him. Jeane Kirkpatrick being a prominent example. Krauthammer wasn’t one of them. He was still a Mondale flack.

The problem for conservatives is that these “new conservatives” didn’t leave their social agenda and their domestic policies behind when they anointed themselves as neoconservatives. And on issues like gay marriage, amnesty, gun control you can find them working against what most conservatives want.

For example take a look at the beliefs of Neel Kashkari, the last Republican candidate for governor of California. His fellow neocons had no problem with what he stood for but they sure ganged up against tea party favorite Tim Donnelly.

[ek_hornbeck]

“The offensives of radicalism have driven vast herds of liberals across the border into our territories. These refugees now speak in our name, but the language they speak is the same one they always spoke...Our estate has been taken over by an imposter, just as we were about to inherit”

Thanks to neoconservatives, we have two parties: radicals (Democrats) and liberals (establishment Republicans). The only difference is that Democrats want to build up the welfare state and impose a multicultural new order all at once, while the GOP establishment does so by stealth.

The most insufferable thing about neoconservatives is that they act as though their views on every issue, whether it's foreign policy, immigration, or the welfare state, are the official canon and that all who disagree with them are either "extremists" or heretics.