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Pete Rose petitions commissioner
ESPN.com ^ | 3/16/2015 | Mark Saxon

Posted on 03/16/2015 5:01:01 PM PDT by Beave Meister

GLENDALE, Ariz. -- Major League Baseball commissioner Rob Manfred says he has received a formal request from Pete Rose asking that his lifetime ban be lifted and that he will consider the all-time hits leader's request "on its merits."

"I want to make sure I understand all of the details of the Dowd Report and Commissioner [Bart] Giamatti's decision and the agreement that was ultimately reached," Manfred said after a meeting with Los Angeles Dodgers players in Arizona on Monday morning. "I want to hear what Pete has to say, and I'll make a decision once I've done that."

Rose's previous efforts to gain leniency from commissioners Fay Vincent and Bud Selig were never considered.

Rose, 73, played from 1963 to 1986, amassing 4,256 hits, still a major league record. Three years after he retired, Rose agreed to a permanent ban from baseball amid accusations he gambled on games while playing and managing for the Cincinnati Reds.

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From the time he broke into the majors in 1963 until he retired in 1986, Rose amassed 4,256 hits (1st all- time), 746 doubles (2nd all-time) and 2,165 runs (fifth all-time). He played for three World Series Champions, and was named the MVP of the 1975 Series. Those are un-godly numbers. They are the numbers of a Hall of Famer.

Unfortunately, he also ignored Major League Baseball's Rule 21 (d)

Rule 21 (d) is posted on the clubhouse door in every major league stadium, and has been for years. Rose probably walked by those signs 5,000 times during his career.

Rule 21 (d), which states: d) BETTING ON BALL GAMES. Any player, umpire, or club official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has no duty to perform shall be declared ineligible for one year. Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible.

It doesn't say... unless you've got 4000 hits or 700 home runs or won 300 games or have 3000 strike outs. It says ANY PLAYER....He chose to ignore the signs, he chose to bet on baseball, and he's being punished in accordance with the rule. He also chose to lie about his actions for 14 years, and even after acknowledging them, still doesn't seem to understand that his mistake wasn't failing to apologize sooner. It's that he bet on baseball in the first place. How gutless.

1 posted on 03/16/2015 5:01:01 PM PDT by Beave Meister
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To: Beave Meister

And you don’t think others did as well? Time for baseball to get its head out of the sand and acknowledge Rose’s accomplishments. Baseball has let others in with far worse problems.


2 posted on 03/16/2015 5:03:08 PM PDT by rstrahan
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To: Beave Meister

Go away Pete


3 posted on 03/16/2015 5:04:58 PM PDT by BigEdLB (We're experienceing the rule of a Roman Emperor, Barack I)
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To: rstrahan
Baseball has let others in with far worse problems

Such as?

4 posted on 03/16/2015 5:05:27 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (It takes a gun to feed a village (and an AK 47 to defend it).)
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To: Beave Meister

I bet he gets the band lifted.


5 posted on 03/16/2015 5:06:29 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (She comes out of the sun in a silk dress running like a watercolor in the rain)
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To: Beave Meister

Great ball player, lousy human.


6 posted on 03/16/2015 5:07:55 PM PDT by dainbramaged (Get out of my country now)
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To: Beave Meister
Rose's only mistake was that he wasn't a black basketball player who was up to his neck in gambling debt. He could have easily retired from the sport, joined a minor league baseball team for a year then returned to basketball, everything forgotten..........

Rose's stats can't be ignored, he deserves to be in the Hall...........

7 posted on 03/16/2015 5:08:48 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Uncle Sy: "Beavers are like Ninjas, they only come out at night and they're hard to find")
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To: Beave Meister

I bet he gets into the hall of fame.


8 posted on 03/16/2015 5:10:14 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (She comes out of the sun in a silk dress running like a watercolor in the rain)
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To: Hot Tabasco
Once he has completed his sentence, which he agreed to, then he can be eligible for the hall.
9 posted on 03/16/2015 5:12:17 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: Beave Meister

It’s a slippery slope. Once you lower standards for Rose, then where do you draw the line. Do the rules only apply to players that are not Hall of Fame material?


10 posted on 03/16/2015 5:12:24 PM PDT by NRx
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To: rstrahan

Barred for life, means barred for life.


11 posted on 03/16/2015 5:14:46 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: rstrahan

Barred for life, means barred for life.


12 posted on 03/16/2015 5:14:46 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: NRx

That’s the whole point of my post.


13 posted on 03/16/2015 5:15:03 PM PDT by Beave Meister (Die Hard Cubs Fan.....if it takes forever.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Yeah, imagine if he hadn’t gambled and instead juiced up on roids and HGH. No problem, he’d already be in the HoF.


14 posted on 03/16/2015 5:16:45 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: Beave Meister

Seems like there are two major opinions here. Some say that Pete was such a great player that he deserves to be in baseball and deserves a spot in the Hall of Fame. These people are saying you should only consider his performance on the field.

Others say that he broke one of the biggest rules in baseball by gambling on baseball, and the penalty for that is expulsion from the game.

Over the years the basic arguments haven’t changed.


15 posted on 03/16/2015 5:18:57 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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So then does Rose get reinstated in spite of the rules, because others have violated other rules???


16 posted on 03/16/2015 5:20:16 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Beave Meister
From the time he broke into the majors in 1963 until he retired in 1986, Rose amassed 4,256 hits (1st all- time), 746 doubles (2nd all-time) and 2,165 runs (fifth all-time). He played for three World Series Champions, and was named the MVP of the 1975 Series. Those are un-godly numbers. They are the numbers of a Hall of Famer. Unfortunately, he also ignored Major League Baseball's Rule 21 (d)

I was in the stands the night that Pete Rose made his major league debut. I saw hit stroke his first major league hit.

He also broke rule 21 (d). A rule he was responsible for enforcing. A rule he knew he was breaking.

Pete Rose was a great baseball player. But he is no Hall of Famer.

17 posted on 03/16/2015 5:20:26 PM PDT by okie01
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To: dainbramaged

As was his hero, Tyrus Cobb.


18 posted on 03/16/2015 5:21:07 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: dainbramaged
Great ball player, lousy human.

Agreed 100%. However, despite the fact that I hate the guy, he is one of the greatest players ever. Maybe it's time.

19 posted on 03/16/2015 5:23:56 PM PDT by Dr. Thorne (The night is far spent, the day is at hand.- Roman 13:12)
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To: gundog

So, just because Ty Cobb was a jerk, Pete Rose should be in the Hall?

Shoeless Joe Jackson should be in the Hall long before Rose. Jackson always maintained his innocence, Pete accepted the ruling from the commissioner.


20 posted on 03/16/2015 5:24:29 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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