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Apple's iTunes Radio, Beats, and Others Hit With Unpaid Royalty Suits Over Pre-1972 Music
MacRumors ^ | Friday January 23, 2015 7:24 AM PST | by Mitchel Broussard

Posted on 01/24/2015 2:58:31 AM PST by Swordmaker

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To: Vaquero
I have thousands of old songs on my iPod etc.

Do you back them up? I have many thousands of old songs, all archived on external hard drives. Favorites are burned to DVDs as backups. I've been doing this since the 1980s, storing songs safely away long before portable mp3 players came along. It's a simple matter to port them to my PCs, Macs and portable players. I find it amazing that people have all their eggs in one basket, risking losing them at all. By the way, nothing is permanent when it comes to media. I have 4 and 8-track cartridges where components disintegrated, reel-to-reel tape and cassettes with problems, even failed CDs and HDs. So create multiple copies and copy to newer media as needed.

21 posted on 01/24/2015 12:27:47 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Swordmaker

Not FUD at all, post 20 is only a tiny bit of the circumstantial proof which exists.


22 posted on 01/24/2015 12:35:05 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (The Gruber Revelations are proof that God is still smiling on America.)
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To: Swordmaker

Apple can win the suit just by the existence of YouTube, assuming that YouTube isn’t already named in the suit.


23 posted on 01/24/2015 1:05:41 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
They erased my ring tones with IOS 8. You are wrong buddy!!!

That is not erasing them. You can restore them. . . if you backed them up. There's a difference. You chose to do the upgrade. Did you do a sync before you upgraded? I did.

24 posted on 01/24/2015 1:52:34 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users contnue...)
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To: Balding_Eagle
Not FUD at all, post 20 is only a tiny bit of the circumstantial proof which exists.

It is FUD. Losing something on an UPDATE to the software that can be restored from your backup is not having Apple delete it. Reaching out and deleting something is an entirely different, which is what you claimed. THAT, my friend is FUD. That is exactly what the lawsuit was all about. . . and it turned out, Apple did not do it.

Others found their Ring Tones missing on update to iOS 8, but got them back with a re-syncing from their back-up. Simple.

25 posted on 01/24/2015 1:56:33 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users contnue...)
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To: SunkenCiv
Apple can win the suit just by the existence of YouTube, assuming that YouTube isn’t already named in the suit.

YouTube will probably be served soon. . . if it hasn't been already.

26 posted on 01/24/2015 1:57:55 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users contnue...)
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To: Swordmaker

No difference to me. They deleted them for whatever reason.

Apple is producing some buggy stuff. I won’t upgrade to Yosemite because of the SSD issue.

Wait until their new watch comes out that only runs 3-4 hours. They’ll be a laughing stock.


27 posted on 01/24/2015 2:29:41 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: roadcat
I have many thousands of old songs, all archived on external hard drives. Favorites are burned to DVDs as backups. I've been doing this since the 1980s, storing songs safely away long before portable mp3 players came along. It's a simple matter to port them to my PCs, Macs and portable players. I find it amazing that people have all their eggs in one basket, risking losing them at all. By the way, nothing is permanent when it comes to media. I have 4 and 8-track cartridges where components disintegrated, reel-to-reel tape and cassettes with problems, even failed CDs and HDs. So create multiple copies and copy to newer media as needed.

Yeap that's the way to do it especially with portable HD's and Thumb Drive very affordable.

I was in a Thrift Store this week and say a used but still in box 40 GB MP3 Player for $15. I pondered on buying it for a few minutes as I looked around then decided for $15 I'd chance it. I got it home and it worked although I had to figure out how to get files into it. Finally I just copied all my MP3 Player files to my HD then transferred them to the one I bought. About 8 GB worth. Lots and lots of room left over :>} Windows Media Player on my old XP machine wouldn't recognize the player and Sync then convert was my main problem. It was a Creative brand player maybe 10 years old or so Creative Nomad Zen Extra. Plays WMA or MP3.

28 posted on 01/24/2015 6:14:39 PM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: cva66snipe

Good Grief. I just searched same player on Amazon. For a used one it goes for $200. Them kinda bargains never happen to me but I’m glad it did this time :>}


29 posted on 01/24/2015 6:42:13 PM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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It was a Creative brand player maybe 10 years old or so Creative Nomad Zen Extra. Plays WMA or MP3.

$15? Yikes. I remember buying an MP3 player on sale nearly fifteen years ago, for a different reason. It was 4GB, huge at the time. Back then, 4GB micro drives alone were about $500 each (the reason the first iPods were expensive). Ouch. Same package format as a compact-flash card. I bought the player for $200 just to yank the 4GB micro drive, inserting it into my digital camera (bumping it up from 512MB or so). Tossed the player into a drawer, as I already had a couple other great MP3 players. A lot of people did the same, buying them just to get the drives for cheap. Relatives were envious of me having so much storage in my digital camera. Now, 4GB is nothing compared to what you can have. BTW a friend bought a Nomad Portable Media Center, spent a thousand on it. These players were very expensive in their time and quickly became obsolete. The money that was spent back then, yikes.

30 posted on 01/24/2015 7:15:52 PM PST by roadcat
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I have a 4 GB Zen MP3 player I bought about 6-8 years ago for about $100 IIRC and had a card slot. It's been a good one and taken lots of abuse.

I'm trying to copy all the music I have bought over the years into as many digital formats as possible in the hopes one format will last the rest of my life or rather still be accessible and playable. I started out about 48 years ago buying 45's and LP's.

I skipped 8 Tracks and bought Cassettes. One machine boo boo and it was good bye music so I copied the store bought cassettes onto another and put the store bought up. That brings back memories of the pain in the rear having to take the cassette player out of the car and aart to get the tape it ate out of the Cap stand LOL. I guess I have several hundred cassettes and 500 plus LP's.

Then I began buying CD replacements of all of them. IOW I've paid for the same music several times over. I'm not about to risk my store boughts to hazards such as theft and heat in a vehicle. That and a lot of the music I have simply isn't replaceable thanks to record companies holding it off the CD market.

MP3 Downloads online aren't practical for me due to slow dial up service. I'd rather have the CD's anyway. In the house I can hear & tell the difference but driving I can't.

31 posted on 01/24/2015 8:02:22 PM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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I skipped 8 Tracks and bought Cassettes.

I'm nostalgic about the playing of mobile music in the 1960s. Started with a 4-track player in my '56 Chevy. I still have some 4-track cartridges. Then moved up to an Lear 8-track player, and used an adaptor to play the 4-tracks. I've got a couple boxes of 8-track cartridges from back then. Me and my friends would drive around for hours listening to those tapes, the joy of listening to what we wanted in stereo without commercials! Later on got cassette players, but it never seemed to have the same mellow sound as the 8-tracks, which allowed you to quickly change between 4 channels of songs. Fast forward to a few decades later, and my dismay that the foam and rubber fell apart, some of it turning to goo, rendering half the cartridges unplayable. Then there are the vinyl records I accidentally left in the car or in sunlight and they warped. So I hear you about buying the same music over and over in different media.

Did you realize that CDs and DVDs are not forever? Many brands have inferior coatings on the plastic that will decay, rendering them unplayable in a couple decades. Recordable tape has a similar problem. Hard drive read/write heads can easily be damaged - take a hard drive apart to see just how fragile it is. USB sticks can be written to just so many hundreds of times before they become problematic. Our technology is more fragile than people realize.

That's one good thing about iTunes and the cloud; being able to pull down fresh copies if wanted. (You'll just have to pay again to replace ones you previously ripped.)

32 posted on 01/24/2015 11:48:40 PM PST by roadcat
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Funny, none of my ringtones were erased back when iOS 8 came out. Who do I file a complaint with????


33 posted on 01/27/2015 11:56:56 PM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: TheBattman

The ones I lost were home made from recordings then hacked to MP4’s.


34 posted on 01/28/2015 5:47:12 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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