Reformation difference between Islam and Christianity that the MSM Ignores. ~ Vanity

GraceG

[sakic]

So, it’s okay to commit a mass slaughter of innocents in order to kill other people you want dead.

Maybe you’ll be a victim of someone as stupid as yourself.

[WayneS]

You must have inadvertently left the word “innocents” out of your original post (which is the post to which I was responding).

So, please stop assigning me a position and then assailing it.

[xone]

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[xone]

Well, there was a lot of violence in the “wars of religion” of the 16th century, most of it from of attacks on Catholics by the various Protestant groups, since Protestantism split up fairly early in its career. These groups included the Huguenots, the Anglicans and the Calvinists (who mostly attacked other Protestants). This of course was followed up by attacks from Catholics on Protestants. In many cases, including the inter-Protestant attacks, there was a secular political element on either side.

I'd like to see your references for this assertion, as history doesn't bear this out.

[livius]

History does bear it out. Henry VIII launched a campaign not only against Catholics and the Catholic clergy, but even against buildings and statues. Much English art was destroyed by his marauding hordes, and many priests, monks and laypeople were executed.

Under Elizabeth I, it was even worse. When the English invaded Ireland, they launched a serious campaign against the Church; in fact, the great uncle (10 x removed, I believe) of a bishop of my diocese was appointed Bishop of Cashel in 1584, but was identified and turned in by Elizabeth’s spies, captured, and tortured for several months before finally being hanged outside the gates of Dublin.

The Huguenots were French, of course, and relentlessly attacked the Spanish and Portuguese, the main representatives of Catholicism, both on land and sea. At one point, they captured a ship with some 60 Portuguese Jesuit priests and brothers on their way to the missions in Brazil and literally made them walk the plank off the coast of the Azores. The Huguenots also destroyed massive amounts of France’s artistic treasury, particularly the famous monastery at Cluny.

And it is well known that Calvin had many rival Protestants put to death, such as Servetus, whom he had killed by “slow burning.” In fact, during the Puritan Revolution in England and Cromwell’s activities in Ireland, the Calvinists attacked not only the Catholics but even suppressed the Anglican Church as being “Royalist.” Of course, he also got the Penal Laws passed, which deprived Catholics of their land, their right to vote, run schools, etc. Most of these laws were not entirely overturned until the end of the 19th century.

My point was that none of this is justified in Christian scriptures, but violence is on the other hand abundantly justified in Islamic writings.

[xone]

Your point: most of it from of attacks on Catholics

While borne out in England, the same wasn't true in continental Europe where French Catholic monarchs marauded Protestants starting with the Massacre of Vassy in 1562; Germany where Catholic monarchs oppressed the Protestants precipitating war and successfully killing heretics for Rome, but set the stage for the Thirty Year's war that started ostensibly as a war over religion, but 2/3 of it became a war waged for the purposes of territorial acquisition between Catholic monarchies.