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Maybe it wasn't the Higgs particle after all
Phys dot org ^ | November 07, 2014 | blogger

Posted on 11/09/2014 4:21:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv

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To: SunkenCiv

I heard somewhere that if the LHC can’t find the Higgs Boson then the math which predicted it needs to be looked at for errors.


21 posted on 11/09/2014 6:11:46 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: tet68

Those look like Biggs Hoseons.


22 posted on 11/09/2014 6:12:06 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Celebrate the Polls, Ignore the Trolls)
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To: SunkenCiv

Could he whistle?


23 posted on 11/09/2014 6:12:15 PM PST by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: mikrofon; tet68

Vanishing socks generally show up in the hozone layer.


24 posted on 11/09/2014 6:13:55 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Celebrate the Polls, Ignore the Trolls)
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To: SunkenCiv
I'm not surprised at this.

News reports about this “discovery” were often expressed with qualifications, and interviewed experts often refused to put their reputations on the line by bluntly saying, “Yes, this is the Higgs particle.”

I also thought the emotional response of the Physics community was subdued.

I'll guess that when the quark was confirmed in 1968, there was real jubilation and many physicists were thrilled.

The fact that it cost $6 billion to build the LHC, and another $1 billion each year to run and maintain it, might be a powerful incentive to mislead the public about what exactly was discovered.

25 posted on 11/09/2014 6:16:55 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: bajabaja

I think I wound up having to edit it out of the excerpt, but the Higgs was predicted (actually needed, it’s a mathematical kludge) by the Standard Model; so were massless neutrinos. Since the late 1960s several longterm experiments were set up to detect neutrinos, and failed to turn up any (for all practical purposes; the level of apparent hits was the kind of background level one would expect to find in interstellar space). Since the Sun is quite close by, we should be awash in them.

Then about ten years ago, a really purpose-built experiment was begun. It appeared to find neutrinos. Unfortunately the detected whatevers had mass.

Soooo, it was decided that neutrinos had been found after all, but that they changed from massless to massful while making the trip from the Sun. Standard Model was upheld.


26 posted on 11/09/2014 6:18:34 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Celebrate the Polls, Ignore the Trolls)
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To: left that other site

+1.


27 posted on 11/09/2014 6:21:28 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: zeestephen

It’s all about the hunt for a Nobel Prize.

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/


28 posted on 11/09/2014 6:26:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Celebrate the Polls, Ignore the Trolls)
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To: zeestephen; BenLurkin; left that other site

There were earlier attempts to find the Higgs, all failed, and the results of the LHC were not really in accord with expectations. But that’s okay too, if we already knew everything, there’d be nothin’ to do.


29 posted on 11/09/2014 6:29:12 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Celebrate the Polls, Ignore the Trolls)
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To: Lurker

Thank you!

(My First ever!)


30 posted on 11/09/2014 6:30:48 PM PST by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I wouldn’t want to know everything. It would take all the mystery out of life!

:-)

(I love these science threads, even though i don’t completely understand them! LOL!)


31 posted on 11/09/2014 6:32:15 PM PST by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: SunkenCiv

didn’t they notice the little “H” on each particle???


32 posted on 11/09/2014 6:33:39 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

They were still scraping the whiteout off the glass from some earlier spreadsheet corrections.


33 posted on 11/09/2014 6:50:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Celebrate the Polls, Ignore the Trolls)
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To: terycarl

There were a lot of bets placed on whether it was or not, so much so that bookies dubbed it the Viggs.

Okay, I’m not sure that was worth the setup.


34 posted on 11/09/2014 6:55:07 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Celebrate the Polls, Ignore the Trolls)
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To: Zeneta
kinda like Reese’s Crunchy peanut butter cups? The same as regular Reese’s, but different.

Yes, it's exactly like that. Except instead of Reese’s Crunchy peanut butter cups, a grilled cheese sandwich with tomatoes. And instead of regular Reese's, celery sticks. Otherwise, that's it.

35 posted on 11/09/2014 10:10:45 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Soooo, it was decided that neutrinos had been found after all, but that they changed from massless to massful while making the trip from the Sun. Standard Model was upheld.

Good thing no one invoked the Electric Universe Theory. Otherwise people might think physics is just politically driven, black-ops controlled pseudoscience.

36 posted on 11/09/2014 10:14:55 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: SunkenCiv

“Since the late 1960s several longterm experiments were set up to detect neutrinos, and failed to turn up any ...”

I think I saw somewhere that lack of neutrino emissions from the sun (if the theories about what stars are is correct) signals that the furnace, so to speak, has gone out, and the sun is beginning the journey toward expansion/collapse. What do you think?


37 posted on 11/10/2014 2:07:56 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: SunkenCiv

On the USS Eldridge. . .perhaps?


38 posted on 11/10/2014 8:15:52 AM PST by Hulka
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To: SunkenCiv

So experimental results (mass-off, then mass-on) that didn’t fit the Standard Model were made to fit the Standard Model.

It’s the opposite of Lois Lerner’s emails. They did exist, then they didn’t.

I think it’s called Standard Operating Procedure.


39 posted on 11/10/2014 10:07:25 PM PST by bajabaja (Too ugly to be scanned at the airports.)
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