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The Burp Gun Was Ugly—But Damn Did It Spray Lead (Soviet PPSh-41)
War is Boring ^ | October 15, 2014 | Paul Huard

Posted on 10/15/2014 6:54:06 AM PDT by C19fan

For nearly 30 years, soldiers heard an unforgettable sound coming from a weapon firing from behind the rubble in Stalingrad. Or echoing in the frozen hills of the Korean Peninsula during human-wave attacks. Or even rattling the jungles of Vietnam during firefights with the Viet Cong.

BRRAP-PAP-PAP-PAP-PAP-PAP-PAP-PAP-PAP!

Before the AK-47 became the symbol of Soviet armed forces, there was the “burp gun”—officially, the PPSh-41. It’s an ugly gun that makes an ugly sound during extended fire.

Looks aside, the burp gun sure did work.

(Excerpt) Read more at medium.com ...


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: banglist; gun; russia; submachine; warisboring; weapons; worldwareleven
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I read the Soviets created whole companies or battalions armed with only the PPSh-41 or the later even cheaper PPS-42/43 to serve as shock troops.
1 posted on 10/15/2014 6:54:06 AM PDT by C19fan
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Ive fired a PPsh and it wasn’t so great as expected. Build quality is very crude. Its certainly an up close and personal weapon. Looks are its best quality. The commies never were much for finish. As for cheap WWII subguns the Sten and M2 were considerably better. Altho the mag hanging off the side is sort of inconvenient and strange and the M2 cycles reallllyyy slowly. Hey, theyre guns so whats not to like.. :)


2 posted on 10/15/2014 6:59:30 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: C19fan

3 posted on 10/15/2014 7:00:16 AM PDT by Bobalu (Hashem Yerachem (May God Have Mercy)
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To: C19fan
plenty of Germans liked them too. This is James Coburn in the excellent war movie "Cross of Iron."


4 posted on 10/15/2014 7:00:31 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Bobalu
A truly great war movie: Cross of Iron.


5 posted on 10/15/2014 7:01:31 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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But the Red Army was also on its heels. Political purges in the 1930s replaced competent officers with party hacks. The military was poorly trained and ill-prepared for the onslaught to come.

Uh, does this sound at all familiar?

6 posted on 10/15/2014 7:02:16 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

QUIET!!! Someone might notice and be offended!


7 posted on 10/15/2014 7:09:56 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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No no no no no, not familiar, not not like anything today, nothing like today...


8 posted on 10/15/2014 7:17:30 AM PDT by null and void ("Agoraphobia": fear of the marketplace; "AlGoreaphobia": fear of the marketplace of ideas.)
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To: C19fan

I wonder if the blueprints of any of these cheap and dirty weapons have been rendered into 3-D printer ready software. Just a random thought.


9 posted on 10/15/2014 7:23:02 AM PDT by muir_redwoods ("He is a very shallow critic who cannot see an eternal rebel in the heart of a conservative." G.K .C)
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"As late as 2009, U.S. troops in Iraq reported capturing PPShs in insurgent weapons caches."

Wow!

10 posted on 10/15/2014 7:26:03 AM PDT by moehoward
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But the first pic is a Mosin M-44 funny that.


11 posted on 10/15/2014 7:36:08 AM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: Norm Lenhart

Racis’


12 posted on 10/15/2014 7:49:08 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: C19fan

13 posted on 10/15/2014 7:52:00 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: 556x45

Strong points of PPSh are high-capacity drum magazine and a superb TT pistol high-velocity round. A recoil is pretty much comfortable as well.
I honestly think it outclasses any WWII SMG in terms of basic performance.
But I agree that it is not the classiest thing in build quality. There is a little pleasure to hold one in your hands.


14 posted on 10/15/2014 8:24:52 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: C19fan
Reminds me of "The GREASE Gun".
15 posted on 10/15/2014 8:27:56 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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You needed strong arms to carry it, it weighed a ton. The grease gun was lighter, shorter, 45 cal. and great for house to house, room to room fighting. The PPSh was a spray and pray weapon with a 72 round mag. You didn’t need a marksman medal to use it, just strong arms.


16 posted on 10/15/2014 8:41:53 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Hillary or Warren 2016! Why? Just to have a woman for Historical Purpose?? At least pick a looker!)
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To: wetphoenix

plus it worked at 20 below zero


17 posted on 10/15/2014 8:57:21 AM PDT by X Fretensis (How)
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The main advantage was still a round. Overall, comparing to the MP-40 which was the major adversary, PPSh had twice the rate of fire, twice the magazine capacity, some +40% muzzle velocity, was a couple pounds lighter and the maximum firing range was some 50 yards further.
It was extraordinary easy to control, even for women and pre-teens.
I guess all of the above proved to be crucial in Stalingrad.
I don’t know is it a myth or not but it is rumored that the Germans were ditching their guns for PPSh at first opportunity.


18 posted on 10/15/2014 9:39:37 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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Shpagin used an existing submachine gun called the PPD-40 as his point of departure. He welded together stamped metal parts—no bolts or screws. To save money, he took barrels from salvaged Mosin-Nagant rifles, cut them in half, chromed them and then screwed them into the bodies of his new PPSh submachine gun.

When your back is to the wall, it is amazing what the human mind can come up with.

19 posted on 10/15/2014 10:33:54 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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Evidently some German’s didn’t have to ditch their KAR-98s for PPSHs. The Wehrmacht had a program to convert the Soviet weapon to the 9mm Parabellem round. These bore the designation MP-41(r). In addition the German’s reissued unmodified PPSHs and provided 7.73X25MM Mauser cartridges as a replacement for the Soviet round. I have seen a couple of photos of German tank crews and one of a half track crew carrying the PPShs, but never any photos German infantry with that weapon.


20 posted on 10/15/2014 11:26:37 AM PDT by X Fretensis (How)
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