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Now It's Whale Hips: Another Icon of Darwinian Evolution, Vestigial Structures, Takes a Hit
evolutionnews.org ^ | September 15, 2014 | David Klinghoffer

Posted on 10/06/2014 3:58:38 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

In the case presented by advocates of Darwinian evolution, vestigial organs are a star in the firmament, frequently and gloatingly pointed to. Darwin himself cited them as such in The Origin of Species and The Descent of Man, referring to body parts like the human appendix that, he believed, no longer serve a function:

On the view of each organism with all its separate parts having been specially created, how utterly inexplicable is it that organs bearing the plain stamp of inutility... should so frequently occur.

Of course the appendix is a great example of an organ once thought to be without utility that now turns out to serve a vital role.

(Excerpt) Read more at evolutionnews.org ...


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KEYWORDS: creation
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Taken down by a whale's penis... that will leave a mark.
1 posted on 10/06/2014 3:58:38 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Wow, really....you mean hips are vital to sex?

Gee, who knew????? /s


2 posted on 10/06/2014 4:36:29 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Meh. That vestigial organs can serve purposes beyond their ancestral function is nothing new. There seems to be a cottage industry of creation “scientists” who mine scientific research for straw men to use against evolution. It is usually something laughably silly like this article, meant to preach to the converted. What I am not seeing is alot of peer reviewed scientific data. These people attack other peoples research instead of doing their own, its all propaganda without any actual scientific work. The guy who wrote this silliness clearly never ran a PCR or Western Blot. I respect impartially collected, peer reviewed, scientific date, not blog posts.

God created diverse life on earth through the process of evolution. A supreme being has no need to create 10,000 species of cockroach one by one, creating a universe with evolution is a much more elegant solution.


3 posted on 10/06/2014 4:37:03 AM PDT by BurningOak (Live Free or Die)
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To: BurningOak

Whale hips? I thought they were talking about Kim Kardashian, “Hitlary” Clinton or, Mooooooooooooochelle herself. Perish the thought!


4 posted on 10/06/2014 4:41:02 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: BurningOak

Could you please show us the progressive signs of evolution?


5 posted on 10/06/2014 4:45:57 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy

I don’t know if you could call it evolution, but humans have certainly changed over time.

When I was in Germany, I toured a lot of castles. Almost all of them had an “armory” full of weapons and armor. What I noticed as I walked around those castles was:
- I had to stoop through most inner doors (not the grand entryways) and I’m 6’2”.
- The weapons and suits of armor (designed for their warriors, their bad-asses) would best fit a early teenager today.

So, maybe it’s due to improved diet, medicine or whatever - we have definitely changed from once average Germans. I’m not saying we changed from one species to another different species, but is it fair to say we have “evolved” (in some sense of the word) within our species? And I also believe we evolve/adapt because our creator knitted that ability into the very fabric of our design.


6 posted on 10/06/2014 5:01:34 AM PDT by jaydee770
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To: jaydee770

“I don’t know if you could call it evolution ...”

That is not evolution in any sense of the word, as understood by anyone on any side of the debate over evolution. Vietnamese immigrants to the U.S. see their children towering over them due to changed nutrition and medical care in their formative years. American colonists were taller than their British cousins after only a generation because of more and better food. They did not evolve in one generation. Americans have become far heavier in just the last 35 years, and that is not evolution.


7 posted on 10/06/2014 5:15:01 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: cdcdawg; jaydee770

Check out this group photo of one soldier each from the allied countries in the Boxer Rebellion (around 1900).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#mediaviewer/File:Troops_of_the_Eight_nations_alliance_1900.jpg
They are in height order: Britain, United States, Australia,[72] British India, Germany, France, Austria-Hungary, Italy, Japan. The nutrition explanation is pretty clear.


8 posted on 10/06/2014 5:26:43 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: BurningOak

These people attack other peoples research instead of doing their own,

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Doing your own research and having it pass peer review is hard work. While the evolutionary model doesn’t answer all questions, it answers far more than any other model.


9 posted on 10/06/2014 5:32:18 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Ann Archy

“Could you please show us the progressive signs of evolution?”

Not sure what you mean by progressive signs of evolution, but here you go. 4,290,000 evolutionary research papers to answer all those hard questions.

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=evolution&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C38&as_sdtp=


10 posted on 10/06/2014 5:38:58 AM PDT by BurningOak (Live Free or Die)
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To: Moonman62

Indeed, getting a scientific paper published in hard. Writing a blog post is way easier.


11 posted on 10/06/2014 5:39:50 AM PDT by BurningOak (Live Free or Die)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I would say believers in God should not be dismissive of the concept of evolution it total.

We are not static being else we would be the same fallen man forever with no hope...

God uses the concept of evolution. .

What was the flood but act of selection ..

Not natural selection but still the same effect..

What was Sodom and Gomorrah but an act of selection.

So you can call it Natural Selection

Or an Act of God Selection

But the effect is the same

Some die off and the survivors go on and multiply ...


12 posted on 10/06/2014 5:47:05 AM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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To: BurningOak
There seems to be a cottage industry of creation “scientists” who mine scientific research for straw men to use against evolution. It is usually something laughably silly like this article, meant to preach to the converted. What I am not seeing is alot of peer reviewed scientific data.

Bingo.
13 posted on 10/06/2014 6:05:42 AM PDT by arderkrag (NO ONE IS OUT TO GET YOU.)
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To: BurningOak
A supreme being has no need to create 10,000 species of cockroach one by one, creating a universe with evolution is a much more elegant solution.

The best the "evolution" dramatists can ever show is what the creationists already agree with them in, which is ADAPTATION. There has never been an instance of, say, a bacillus from a coccus, eh? or a Ferrari from a hay wagon without an entropy-laden forcing of intelligence upon matter.

14 posted on 10/06/2014 6:13:10 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1

There have been millions of examples of bacteria developing new traits (antibiotic resistance) or losing traits (no longer able to live on some sugar) in a lab or in a sick patient. All of this is adaptation as well as evolution. Just like God designed it.


15 posted on 10/06/2014 6:19:10 AM PDT by BurningOak (Live Free or Die)
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To: Moonman62
These people attack other peoples research instead of doing their own,

No experiment to prove Darwinian evolution sans intelligent design has ever worked. No experimentation of creation without intelligent design can ever work. What's your point?

16 posted on 10/06/2014 6:25:38 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1

If by Intelligent Design you mean 13.8 billion years of God’s patient work then I have no problem with that.


17 posted on 10/06/2014 6:30:17 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

I think another 100 million years was added last week to accommodate something or other that didn’t work with ToE. So, it’s probably 13.9 billion years by now, unless I’ve missed another one.


18 posted on 10/06/2014 6:38:29 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

The actual estimate is 13.82 billion years now. Do you have a better one? Nonetheless, God is extremely patient.


19 posted on 10/06/2014 6:47:06 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

What’s a few tens of millions of years here or there? You’ll be needing them again soon enough. Might as well round up.

The God of the Bible, of Abraham and Isaac, did not use the death of his creatures to create new ones. Death came into the world by sin.

Other than that, you’ve got a point. God is patient and slow to anger.


20 posted on 10/06/2014 6:53:01 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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