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Are Homosexuals Born that Way?
Stand to Reason ^ | 05/31/2014 | ALAN SHLEMON

Posted on 05/31/2014 5:53:32 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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References:

[1] Bailey JM, Dunne MP, Martin NG. 2000. Genetic and Environmental influences on sexual orientation and its correlates in an Australian twin sample. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 78:524-36. The figure is the pairwise concordance, not probandwise concordance.

[2] Retrieved on February 2, 2012, from http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientation.aspx

[3] Hamer, Dean & Copeland, P. (1994). The Science of Desire (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1994), 214.

[4] LeVay, Simon, “Sexual Orientation: The Science and its Social Impact,” in Reverso, 2000, p.

1 posted on 05/31/2014 5:53:32 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

If they are born that way, we can test for it. What if they test Negative for homosexuality? Does that mean they aren’t gay?
What if I test Positive? Can I be an oppressed minority?


2 posted on 05/31/2014 5:55:20 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: SeekAndFind; GiovannaNicoletta; F15Eagle; .45 Long Colt; Buddygirl; Former Fetus; Bockscar; ...

Baptist ping


3 posted on 05/31/2014 5:56:30 AM PDT by WKB
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To: AppyPappy

They entertain a thought, then act on it.


4 posted on 05/31/2014 5:57:36 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The only book needed to research this is the shortest book on the planet: GAY EVOLUTIONISTS: THE NEXT GENERATION
5 posted on 05/31/2014 5:58:04 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Do NOT suffer fools gladlyÂ…and message boards are full contact arenas)
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To: SeekAndFind

You’ve heard of the expression “Born with a silver spoon in his mouth?”


6 posted on 05/31/2014 5:58:42 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: stars & stripes forever

People are born gay. We know this because of polling data and circumstantial evidence.
Besides, they FEEL they were born gay and that is settled science. And you can’t argue with settled science. You just can’t. Nor should you be allowed to disagree. As a matter of fact, the government should punish people who disagree because.....bullying.


7 posted on 05/31/2014 6:00:33 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: WKB

I believe God had a plan for me before I was conceived. I was born Christian. If they were born queer they are of satan.


8 posted on 05/31/2014 6:01:29 AM PDT by fulltlt
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To: SeekAndFind

I think Freud had it right - a refusal to move from adolescence to adulthood. I’m wondering if this Elliott creep who did in all those poor kids was, in fact, a latent homosexual...he certainly wasn’t moving into adulthood.


9 posted on 05/31/2014 6:03:32 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Humans are biologically hardwired to be attached to the opposite sex...it's born into us...

Homosexualty are these wires getting crossed up due to environment, sexual abuse, and other issues...

It's really that simple...

10 posted on 05/31/2014 6:03:44 AM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SeekAndFind

I knew one set of twin boys not identical, one was an all star handsome rugged ladies man. The other was cute brilliant kid who thinks he is a homosexual. I have no explanation.


11 posted on 05/31/2014 6:03:57 AM PDT by WKB
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RE: If they are born that way, we can test for it.

I agree. The question is this -— is there DEFINITE proof that there is a genetic test? If so, have they identified the specific gene?

RE: What if I test Positive? Can I be an oppressed minority?

You can agitate for it. Heck they already are successful in forcing people to deem them an oppressed ( there for a need to be protected ) minority.


12 posted on 05/31/2014 6:04:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

People are born OCD or schizo. Does that mean we shouldn’t treat them?


13 posted on 05/31/2014 6:05:43 AM PDT by bolobaby
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WOW heres some clear headed analysis...

" science itself cannot render judgments about human worth or about what constitutes normality or disease. These are value judgments that individuals must make for themselves, while taking scientific findings into account.”[4]

since when did human worth fall into the same category as normality or disease?

these people are really doing thier home work...
14 posted on 05/31/2014 6:06:22 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s a feel-good article that misses the point that, if you can’t prove that it can be a by-birth condition, you also can’t prove that it can never be a by-birth condition. If you claim that someone must submit proof for their theory, then it is not unreasonable that you should also bear the onus of providing proof for your theory that says their theory is bunk. This guy tries to eat his cake and have it too.


15 posted on 05/31/2014 6:06:40 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Seriously, if they ever develop a test, the game is over. That’s why they will never find the gene.


16 posted on 05/31/2014 6:06:42 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: WKB

Daddy loved the athlete more so the other child wanted to punish him for it. That’s why my older brother is gay. Because I was born.


17 posted on 05/31/2014 6:08:38 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks I was talking about this with my girlfriend last night, you’re argument is solid and in going to use it. I already weened her away from liberal economic issues and now I’m working on the social issues.


18 posted on 05/31/2014 6:09:03 AM PDT by erod
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RE: Homosexualty are these wires getting crossed up due to environment, sexual abuse, and other issues...

I think you’re making the homosexual case for them, the argument is ALMOST SIMILAR to what they would make with the exception that they wouldn’t call it cross-wire. They’d probably call it wired differently.

At any rate because they are ( as you said ), they would argue that they are BORN THAT WAY and there’s nothing they can do about it.

THEREFORE, their lifestyle should be treated as normally as anyone who was born genetically different.


19 posted on 05/31/2014 6:09:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: AppyPappy

RE: Seriously, if they ever develop a test, the game is over.

What does the game-is-over mean?


20 posted on 05/31/2014 6:10:29 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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