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1 posted on 05/04/2014 2:13:54 PM PDT by Dallas59
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“Moichandising . . . moichandising!”


2 posted on 05/04/2014 2:17:09 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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thinking science fiction is some computer graphics-laden space opera/western filled with shootouts, territorial disputes, evil patriarchs and trusty mounts (like the Millennium Falcon).

Of course it is, among other timeless plots laced with sciency-things. "Star Wars" has a particularly aristocratic Space Western origin, since the writer of "The Empire Strikes Back," Leigh Brackett, also wrote a couple of classic John Wayne movies ("El Dorado," "Rio Bravo").

She was also a very successful science fiction author in the 1930s. The "science" is dated - nobody thinks humans could survive on Mercury anymore - but a good story is a good story, and a good story can be made into a successful movie.

3 posted on 05/04/2014 2:18:04 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Happy Star Wars Day! May the Fourth be with all y'all.)
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ping


4 posted on 05/04/2014 2:20:57 PM PDT by Perdogg (Ted Cruz-Rand Paul 2016)
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Star Wars is Science Fiction Fantasy. Star Trek is more Science Fiction as in “it could happen”.


6 posted on 05/04/2014 2:22:05 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("Remember me as you pass by, As you are now, so once was I, As I am now, so you will be")
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8 posted on 05/04/2014 2:25:04 PM PDT by EveningStar
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There are, for example, no light sabers, spaceships or Death Stars in the 1979 novel "Kindred," by Octavia Butler, who won the Hugo and Nebula, sci-fi's top awards, and was also awarded a MacArthur Foundation "Genius" Grant.

Just time travel, race and lots of kinky sex.

This somehow being more science-y then light sabers and space ships.

9 posted on 05/04/2014 2:27:40 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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Butler’s main themes are race and sex, and in “Kindred” she wrote about a modern black woman who travels back in time to the antebellum South, where she is enslaved. The novel is regularly taught in classrooms and has made at least one list of “Great Books By Women.”

But Hollywood has yet to adapt it for the screen.

“How many of those white people are evil movies are they going to make”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN9hy4YNIv0 [language]


14 posted on 05/04/2014 2:30:25 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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Interesting article, though I disagree with the premise. As much as I loved the original Star Wars films, I never thought (even as a kid) they were the end all, be all for science fiction.

Consider some of the really great sci-fi made during or just after the original trilogy of Star Wars flicks: Alien, Blade Runner, John Carpenter’s version of The Thing, Starman, etc. Later on, we’d also have the likes of Dark City, Gattaca, and so on.

Now, I *do* think there is a trend towards on over-reliance on action in the sci-fi genre. But that’s what sells summer movie tickets these days, and I don’t think Star Wars is to blame or even that sci-fi is the only genre to have this trend.

As for the author’s assertion that The Matrix is the most original movie of the last 25 years, well, each to their own. The first film was visually impressive, but I’ve never found the films that deep or inspiring. Gattaca left a much bigger impression on me than Matrix. And in the vein of virtual/alternate reality, I like Dark City and the low-bugdet eXistenZ (a birthday IS a special occasion) just as much, if not more, than Matrix.


15 posted on 05/04/2014 2:31:05 PM PDT by DemforBush (A repo man is always intense.)
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Star Wars owes a lot to Jack Kirby, too. It’s not difficult to see the influence of The New Gods in the Star Wars mythology, and Dr Doom clearly influenced aspects of the Darth Vader character.

I don’t think Lucas ever owned up to that, but I confess I don’t know for sure


16 posted on 05/04/2014 2:31:15 PM PDT by Ted Grant
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Butler's main themes are race and sex, and in "Kindred" she wrote about a modern black woman who travels back in time to the antebellum South, where she is enslaved. The novel is regularly taught in classrooms and has made at least one list of "Great Books By Women."

But Hollywood has yet to adapt it for the screen. Maybe if the lead character had a Wookie by her side...

Who knows, maybe Moochelle Obama is available?

Seriously though, that's his example of thought provoking science fiction? Sounds like Uncle Tom's Cabin with a time machine.

18 posted on 05/04/2014 2:36:17 PM PDT by Hugin
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As much as I love the original Star Wars.... this is true. Merchandising is horrible. I mean.... photo Jar-Jar_zps246c838b.jpg

Really! Do we need this?
22 posted on 05/04/2014 2:42:33 PM PDT by Thorliveshere (Minnesota Survivor)
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‘How ‘Star Wars’ ruined sci-fi”

It certainly increased the % of people who first think of movies or TV shows when they hear the term ‘sci-fi.’ I think of books first for sci-fi, but I think of movies and TV shows when I hear the term ‘western,’ as opposed to Zane Grey or Louis L’amour. I still think of books for the term ‘mystery.’

Freegards


27 posted on 05/04/2014 2:46:08 PM PDT by Ransomed
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30 posted on 05/04/2014 2:48:31 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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This is silly. Star Wars is classic pulp magazine SF,aka Space Opera, in concept, if lately clumsy in execution. Space Opera WAS SF, or most of it, in the 1930s-50s.
This stuff was aimed directly at geeky boys and still is.
Some of the boys never grow up of course.
And some of the Space Opera did approach actual literature, as with Dune. But SF never needed to be great literature to be authentic or appealing to its target audience.

Octavia Butlers stuff is come-lately chick-lit junk.


31 posted on 05/04/2014 2:48:47 PM PDT by buwaya
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The first Star Wars was epic, the sequel....trash.


43 posted on 05/04/2014 2:56:19 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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what? no reference to babylon 5?


45 posted on 05/04/2014 3:00:55 PM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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Don’t agree that Star Wars ruined anything, but I ‘d get a lot of agreement that CNN ruined news reporting.


47 posted on 05/04/2014 3:03:32 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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what? no reference to babylon 5?


49 posted on 05/04/2014 3:05:56 PM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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50 posted on 05/04/2014 3:05:57 PM PDT by jimbo123
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52 posted on 05/04/2014 3:08:03 PM PDT by jimbo123
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