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To: Renfield; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...
No one *ever* invaded Britain, the people there are descended from symbolically transformed reindeer. (stolen joke alert) What mountainish foolishness. The Saxons began to arrive during the tail end of the Roman era in Britain; the Britons felt sufficiently threatened that they built the Wansdyke, which remains traceable for 45 miles, and sections no longer visible have been detected through invasive and non-invasive methods out to Bath; a couple hundred years ago even more may have been visible, as one antiquarian traced it all the way to the Severn estuary. Other earthworks which postdate the Romans include the 40 mile long Wat's Dyke (which apparently inspired Mercian King Offa's Dyke, which is some centuries newer), Devil's Dyke (about 7 miles long, and attributed to East Anglia, but I'm not sure anyone's actually dug to find out), and one or two others. Thanks Renfield.

17 posted on 02/18/2014 5:46:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: SunkenCiv

SC—A number of authors have investigated these dykes, and concluded that they are pre-Celtic (of Neolithic age, constructed contemporaneously with Stonehenge and Avebury), and have nothing at all to do with defense or warfare. In particular, I would direct you to a book entitled Before the Delusion, by William Gleeson. In this case, he uses the vehicle of fiction (a novel) to present his arguments, which I find more compelling than claims that the dykes were built by Romanized Britons to stem Saxon invasions.


18 posted on 02/19/2014 5:03:41 AM PST by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: SunkenCiv; Renfield
Wouldn't DNA be better evidence that digging up graves and examining tooth enamel?

The author is drawing unwarranted conclusions. The author seems to think if the Saxons let the native Celts live on in numbers that the invasion would have been "peaceful." I suppose in this kum-by-ya age academics think it would be reasonable for the Celts without a fight just to invite the Saxons to take their best land, take over the government and make themselves wealthy by the standards of the day.

27 posted on 02/19/2014 3:50:22 PM PST by colorado tanker
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The Roman historian Eutropius in his book, Historiae Romanae Breviarium, written around 369, mentions the Wall of Severus, a structure built by Septimius Severus who was Roman Emperor between 193 and 211:
Novissimum bellum in Britannia habuit, utque receptas provincias omni securitate muniret, vallum per CXXXIII passuum milia a mari ad mare deduxit. Decessit Eboraci admodum senex, imperii anno sexto decimo, mense tertio. Historiae Romanae Breviarium, viii 19.1

He had his most recent war in Britain, and to fortify the conquered provinces with all security, he built a wall for 133 miles from sea to sea. He died at York, a reasonably old man, in the sixteenth year and third month of his reign.
This source is conventionally thought to be referring, in error, to either Hadrian's Wall (73 miles (117 km)) or the Antonine Wall (37 miles (60 km)), which were both much shorter and built in the 2nd century. Recently, some writers have suggested that Eutropius may have been referring to the earthwork later called Offa's Dyke. Most archaeologists reject this theory.

Recent evidence has been found that strengthens the theory of an earlier date for the wall's construction. In December 1999 Shropshire County Council archaeologists uncovered the remains of a hearth or fire on the original ground surface beneath the raised bank of the ancient Wat's Dyke near Oswestry, England. Carbon dating analysis of the burnt charcoal and burnt clay in situ showed it was covered by earth on or around AD 446. Archaeologists concluded that this part of Wat's Dyke, so long thought of as Anglo-Saxon and a mid-8th century contemporary of Offa's Dyke, must have been built 300 years earlier in the post-Roman period in Britain.

[Offa's Dyke: Alternative theories]

31 posted on 02/19/2014 6:36:42 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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