Nevertheless, I am disturbed by the apparent ACCEPTANCE of Winston's actions. His coach is still allowing him to play, despite the fact that the young man had sex with an apparently drunk girl. The player's teammates even told investigators that the coitus happened in full view of them, since Winston's bedroom door was broken.
Does this bother anyone else?
“Does this bother anyone else? “
There are several answers to this. The university makes $1.5 billion dollars off of football. The players are universally treated as gods. (I live in town.) There are simply no rules for young black men. If they told them not to have sex with drunk women they’d be laughed at.
A boss once told me, “Never make a rule you know will be broken as it damages your authority more than just ignoring whatever it is.”
When the DA is a FSU grad and loyal supporter, and you are the FSU Heismann-front runner QB, you can rape anyone you want to.
It does bother me. Our culture has become pretty much Sodom.
It's all about winning and has nothing to do with eye wittness testimony. (Sarc)
Gt off your damned high horse. The girl was NOT drunk - and guess what, college girls like to have sex with college football players. I know this may come as a shock to you.
What do you want? Gay football players only?
It was covered up. Why? I am certainly not just accepting the story we’re told.
I don’t think there was a rape.
0.10 is barely under the influence, much less drunk.
Certainly not drunk enough not to remember where she was or what happened.
She was picked up at a bar where she was with friends,.
Her friends allowed her to leave, drunk, with a stranger she did not know? What kind of friends were they? She went to this man’s apartment, and then decided to say no./
They found DNA in her underwear and it was her boyfriends and not Winstons?
Unless some slipped her ecstasy, which is not mentioned, I do not see her being drunk enough not to know what she was doing.
In any case if women are reading this it should tell them, not to get picked up drunk in a bar, and go back to a man’s apartment if you aren’t willing to have sex with the guy. IMO the act was consensual, barring drugs.
Is this man a pillar of modern morality? Hell no.
But he isn’t guilty of rape either.
There are no real heroes here, to be sure.
One thing I don’t like is prosecutors (i.e. elected or appointed individuals who are supposed to UPHOLD our rights but usually act like they are at a shooting range choosing the juiciest targets) who declare they have....nothing to declare yet take the opportunity to imply that Person X is guilty of something but it can’t be proven.
Call me naive but if Person X isn’t charged then he shouldn’t have his name mentioned repeatedly by the authorities whether he’s a celebrity, athlete or truck driver. Bring a case or shut up. Dropping anvil-sized hints anywhere but the courtroom with the premeditated aim of dragging someone’s name through the mud is prosecutorial misconduct.
Wonder how the bedroom door got broken?
The guy will get caught with his pants down soon enough. Just because he is a football player possible heisman trophy winner and number 1 football team. Wonder what happened if the law did something differently with OJ Simpson when he was in the same predictments back in college.
I will remember a former Wisconsin Badger running back, had problems in Madison with the law, won the heisman trophy and went on to play professional football and never amounted to anything. I will let you figure out whom this players name by yourself.
honestly I believe Winston is guilty as sin, but the law messed up the case from the beginning.
Man, you ban that and you would really cut down on available sex. Plus you would make criminals of teen through 30 something hetero males.
It’s noted in the police report that in addition to saying she was drunk (or possibly drugged) that the girl told a different story to some people, saying she had suffered a blow to the head and that is what caused memory loss, disorientation, etc.
No head trauma was noted during the medical exam and the police didn’t see any evidence of it talking to the girl.
Blood and urine tests (and blood retests at a University of Fl lab, yes in Gainesville) don’t show results for any drugs.
If you’re the prosecutor you’ve now got an accuser who has given two different accounts of why she had blackouts, etc and zero medical evidence to support any of it.
There are other issues with the case, major issues, and a belief in conspiracy by the police or the State’s Attorney isn’t necessary to see why Winston wasn’t charged.
Is anyone else skeptical concerning this? Follow the MONEY - including looking at the alleged "victim".
Winston appeared much too unperturbed all along not to have known that the fix was in.
If we are going to arrest for rape every college guy who has had sex with a girl over the alcohol limit for legally driving, I think we will pretty well empty out the campus. Of men, anyway. There is a difference between "too buzzed to drive legally" and comatose.
It appears there is agreement between the parties that sexual intercourse occurred, with the only disagreement being whether she agreed to it at the time.
Here's my problem with that: How is it possible in such a case to determine guilt by the appropriate legal standard, which is "beyond reasonable doubt?" He has a story, she has a story. Is there any particular reason to believe one over the other, except for ideological dogma?
Should we base a conviction simply on who tells a better story? Haven't we all known people who can lie very believably and others who in a stress situation can't tell the truth effectively?
The subtext of this entire hooha is, "Women don't lie."
Which is of course flatly untrue. Some women lie, about all sorts of things, just like some men do.
o”Does this bother anyone else?”
I hate to be the one to break it to you but this stuff was going on when I was attending FSU a long while ago. It took me about one term of watching their antics at fraternity parties to be totally sick of football players. They get away with whatever they do. Then they go into the NFL and do it all over again.
About 15-20 years ago, the Boulder County DA made “date rape” a top priority. Over the next couple of years, he brought 3-4 cases of “date rape” of University of Colorado co-eds to trial, all with tremendous publicity. They lost every case. Since then, not a peep about “date rape” by any subsequent DA, not a single case brought to trial, not a peep about “date rape” in the press here.
You make the call.