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Under Seal: Document Expert Identifies Obama Birth Certificate Forger
Birther Report ^

Posted on 10/27/2013 9:54:40 PM PDT by rocco55

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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

Understood.


81 posted on 10/28/2013 1:46:56 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: SvenMagnussen

When did SCOTUS opine thusly?


82 posted on 10/28/2013 1:59:42 PM PDT by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)
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To: rocco55
Document Expert Identifies Obama Birth Certificate Forger

"Identifies" as Jane Doe #2?

Tells us a lot.

How many forgers does he know?

And how, out of all the forgers in the world did he find the right one?

This would carry more weight if Vogt were a typewriter expert, rather than another self-proclaimed expert in digital imagery.

One thing I did learn about manual typewriters is that that they are notoriously unreliable. What they do looks very different from what today's electronic printers put out, and that's all the more true when you add the human element.

Still, I hope they throw the book at Savannah Guthrie. Is the death penalty an option?

83 posted on 10/28/2013 2:01:40 PM PDT by x
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To: SvenMagnussen

You dismiss age and residency requirements, are they political questions?


84 posted on 10/28/2013 2:03:55 PM PDT by Ray76
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To: SvenMagnussen

Are you saying that if a POTUS was convicted in impeachment or if his Cabinet declared him incompetent it would be the courts who would remove him from office? Which court? Who would bring the case? Where are these procedures described?


85 posted on 10/28/2013 2:13:13 PM PDT by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)
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To: Ray76
Legal questions are resolved judicially by determining facts and applying law.

Except in this case, there is no law to apply. What we have is a constitutional enumeration of the responsibility of Congress. To certify the election. They have done this through a negative affirmation process.

86 posted on 10/28/2013 2:29:17 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: morphing libertarian

Very good answer. I’m glad somebody sees past the facade of the birther movement and recognizes it as a political animal.

The SCOTUS has no enforcement power. They cannot annul the election, they cannot order the President to resign and they cannot order somebody to replace the President and they cannot compel Congress to impeach the President. Given that, I fail to see why SCOTUS would even consider reviewing the case — if it ever got that far. — It would merely add Fuel to the Political Crisis.


87 posted on 10/28/2013 2:35:02 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Usagi_yo

Nowhere does the Constitution say Congress determines eligibility.

Article II does not require enabling legislation. Eligibility is a legal requirement specified by the Constitution. Legal questions are resolved by the Judiciary.


88 posted on 10/28/2013 2:35:11 PM PDT by Ray76
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To: Usagi_yo

Supreme Courts have removed an Executive who fails Constitutional muster.


89 posted on 10/28/2013 2:36:20 PM PDT by Ray76
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To: butterdezillion

I’m not ignoring your question. You just keep answering it yourself. Congress certifies the election. <-— that’s a period.


90 posted on 10/28/2013 2:36:31 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: lee martell

Yep, all these bleepers are all mouth and no action. Used to get all torqued up. Screw it, have no control over it other than being prepared. Life is too short.


91 posted on 10/28/2013 2:47:07 PM PDT by halfright (FAST & FURIOUS! DON'T ALLOW THEM TO DIVERT YOUR ATTENTION.)
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To: Ray76

I think we’re responding to somebody who will not engage with questions or facts.

Obama’s whole game plan is to demoralize. Get us all to believe that everything is hopeless. That’s why Ted Cruz is dangerous to them; he gives us hope.

I’ve long thought that the leadership was threatened, most likely with another electronic run on the bank to collapse the US (and perhaps world) economy. Others have thought the leaders were paralyzed by fear of race riots if Obama was removed. Maybe they thought that once Obama bared his teeth people would be more willing to really see the evidence/warning signs that he is the wolf in sheep’s clothing. Even with the media covering for him, I think a growing number of people are seeing that he is not American. He wants to hurt Americans as much as possible, he is siding with all our enemies and flipping off all our allies. We (supposedly; maybe the dead voters...) “passed” him so we could see what was in him, but unlike “Green Eggs and Ham” (as Ted Cruz noted), we HAVE tried him and we still don’t like what he’s serving up. The hard part is that the whole while we’ve been “trying him out” he’s been entrenching himself like a cancer within all our infrastructure. What a mess of mixed metaphors, and yet none of them is to portray the ugliness of what’s going on.

I just wish somebody would finally care about the truth and speak it on a national stage.


92 posted on 10/28/2013 2:48:37 PM PDT by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)
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To: butterdezillion
I cannot respond to your argument. It's self contradictory on several important point and you're using 'selective agreement' for things you believe, but call into question things you don't believe. For Instance:

the Constitution has to specifically say that a political body is tasked with the job.

Okay, point out where SCOTUS is given this specific task?

So it's a political process because only Congress can impeach or ostensibly through impeachment de-certify the election. As an individual, or even as a minority group, you do not have the jurisdiction, standing, nor the right to declare Obama not eligible. Any argument from you declarying it so is pretty well much invalid. Which is why this hasn't gained any traction while looking for a judicial remedy. None exists.

93 posted on 10/28/2013 2:51:11 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Usagi_yo

Certifying the election means accepting every electoral vote that is properly certified by a State. Congress is not given any opportunity to address Constitutional eligibility in the electoral certification.

If you say otherwise, then show me where, in either the statutes or Constitution, Congress is ever given that authority. I’ve invited you many times and your answer is silence. OK, then. We know that you know the answer and that all your talk about it being a “political question” is just BS.


94 posted on 10/28/2013 2:51:16 PM PDT by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)
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To: butterdezillion

Agreed. I noticed the repetitive non-substantive responses.

Never stop fighting for the truth.


95 posted on 10/28/2013 2:54:31 PM PDT by Ray76
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To: Ray76

Yes it does. The election certification process.

The SCOTUS doesn’t rule on the constitutionality of Constitutional Enumerations.

So, explain to me exactly what your fantasy judicial process is where the courts remove Obama from office?


96 posted on 10/28/2013 2:56:22 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Ray76

Sources ..... where SCOTUS has ruled on a sitting President as ineligible.


97 posted on 10/28/2013 2:57:25 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Usagi_yo
I thought it was up the Secretary of State in each state to verify a candidate's eligibility to be on the ballot.
98 posted on 10/28/2013 2:58:11 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001 and 9/11/2012: NEVER FORGET.)
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To: Ray76

It most certainly does.

It gives Congress authority to certify the election. That *IMPLICITY* includes eligibility. Certification means that all parts of the electoral process are acceptable.

You’re confused because it’s a negative affirmation process. Make sure you know what that means before responding. Your arguments have been really sloppy and weak.


99 posted on 10/28/2013 3:01:01 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Usagi_yo

Article III, Section 2

“The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority... - to Controversies between two or more States... - between Citizens of different States...”

The “political question” doctrine is that the courts don’t address issues that the Constitution specifically gives to somebody else. For instance, the courts are not the place for a Congressman’s eligibility to be determined, because the Constitution directly says that Congress has that responsibility. It never does that for Presidential eligibility.

Another principle of Constitutional interpretation is that there are no words of the Constitution that are intended to be unenforceable. If nobody else was expressly given the job of doing something, the courts are required to handle any controversies or cases that arise because of what is in the Constitution.


100 posted on 10/28/2013 3:03:27 PM PDT by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)
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