Posted on 08/09/2013 12:16:56 PM PDT by MNDude
Here's a question I was thinking about. Whenever someone who is believed to have salvation dies, we're always told "they're in a better place now". Whenever a person who doesn't seem to have salvation, we always seem assume they're in hell at that time.
But the Bible talks about judgement day, and how some will enter heaven and some will enter the Lake of Fire. Catholic and Lutheran (and probably others) recite "I believe He shall come to judge the living and the dead"
So, my question, when is judgement for the dead? Are the dead in heaven just thinking "I just know I'm going to get thrown in the Lake of Fire as soon as Judgement Day comes" Those in heaven are called out for a day for Judgement Day and then are sent back?
If they are already in Heaven and Hell as soon as they die, doesn't that mean judgement has already taken place?
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You’ve gotten my curiousity - I’m going to read the thread with interest.
I honestly don’t know THE answer.
Time and Space means something to us, but God is outside both Time and Space. The question of “Are the dead waiting?” doesn’t have any meaning if you are no longer within our time-oriented world-view. This before that? or after that? I don’t think the question makes any sense at all.
http://www.openbible.info/topics/judgment_day
81 Bible Verses about Judgment Day
http://www.christianpost.com/news/the-real-judgment-days-50391/
The Real Judgment Days
Why doesn't God give us all the answers to our "Why God?" pleas? Simple, the full answer would blow our minds.
Well, I’m no theologian, but my belief is that when a saved person dies, he goes to heaven immediately.
When a lost person dies, he goes to Hell (Hades) to await judgment. Once you die, your eternal abode is fixed.
When judgment day comes, the lost are removed from Hell and thrown into the Lake of Fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
I confess that I do not know about the saved. Perhaps this is when they receive their crowns.
The Particular Judgment comes right after you die. You are either saved or damned. The damned go to Hell; the saved go to either Heaven or, temporarily, to Limbo (a state of being in which you are purified of the temporal stains of sin.) Meanwhile, for all, their souls are separated from their bodies, which are still in the grave.
The General or Second Judgment comes at the end of time. All of the dead, without exception, are raised, and souls are rejoined to bodies. At that time, everybody sees and witnesses everybody's judgment; all the hidden sins of every person are displayed; this time, it is Heaven or Hell only.
It is Jesus who will judge the living and the dead. The details are in Matthew 25.
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Judgment Day happens for all after the Day of the LORD. Flesh is not involved when this ‘day’ comes. No soul/spirit goes to ‘court’ on judgment day, confused, deceived, or ignorant. All souls/spirits will earn their earned reward come ‘judgment day’.
Next Thursday.
Actually I tend to think the soul is dealt with by God upon death, although I’ve struggled with that question before. Also, the concept of time may be completely different in the afterlife.
Any second now, I'm afraid.
Most Christians believe in some form of immediate judgement after death, at least for the saved. However, I haven’t found anything of the sort in the Bible. Instead, there are pretty clear statements that we all have to wait for two resurrections described in the book of Revelation before we get to our final destination.
According to the Bible, before the judgement of the unrighteous, there is a resurrection of the righteous, described in Revelation and a few other places. Until that happens, the righteous saved are still described as “sleeping” by the apostles, not up in Heaven with God.
Many modern Christians have conflated this “first resurrection” with the idea of a “rapture”, but it is really a bodily resurrection of the righteous dead, accompanied by a rapture-like event for those believers still alive.
When someone dies, there is a short period of time immediately after when it seems their soul may be making some kind of transition. This is the time family members and etc. are likely to experience "encounters" or "events" of a strange nature. Especially if you look for these.
Angels are present during these times, and are written to be among us at all times. The Messiah spoke with Angels in the Garden of Gethsemane, so also other prophets in the Bible. I have no idea how Angels are selected, what they are, and etc. I'm just sure that they exist. There is much that is written about them, and much we simply do not understand and perhaps are unable to comprehend.
A little history: At the time the Lord rose from the grave, the scriptures record certain saints, "first fruits", arose as well that night, and were observed actually walking around the city of Jerusalem.
Scriptures say the dead, who are in Messiah, will arise first upon his second coming. So somehow these individuals are known. Next, those living at this time will then be transformed in the twinkling of an eye to join the Messiah "in the air."
This transformation occurs just prior to the great woe that will be poured out on the earth; about halfway through what is called the tribulation. These living will have suffered much!
These that are in Messiah, reign with him for what is termed "a thousand years". After this millennium, another troublesome period occurs. This is the final battle of good vs. evil, when the Messiah finally conquers both evil (Satan) and death.
All of the others who've ever lived, the great majority, rise from their graves. These are judged by the Messiah. It is said to be a time when many will be found wanting, and disappointed their name wasn't written in the book of life as they had thought.
Some interpret that these souls will be cast into a lake of fire, some believe instead they are set apart from those who are judged righteous by their deeds (for why else would they need to judged) and experience what the Messiah calls the second death. I believe the latter occurs.
Those judged to be righteous, along with those in Messiah and the first fruits, inherit the new earth and new heaven - a higher plain of existence when the mystery of God is ultimately revealed.
Eccl 9:5 New International Version "For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten."
But it is also obvious that God translates some immediately to Heaven for His Work. The transfiguration shows Abraham and Moses were alive and well in Heaven.
A good Bible reading would answer all these questions.
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