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The female libido and ‘the two-year itch’
Maclean's ^ | June 22, 2013 | Anne Kingston

Posted on 06/23/2013 10:56:25 AM PDT by rickmichaels

Isabel, a New York City lawyer, has a fiancé who appears a perfect catch. Eric is sensitive, smart, kind and handsome. He’s an attentive lover, the sort of man who, on Valentine’s Day, draws her a bath surrounded by candles and arranges rose petals into a heart shape on the bed. Isabel loves Eric, even though her passion for him dwindled months after they became involved. She misses her erotically charged relationship with her ex-boyfriend who, though not marriage material, made her feel desired, his “possession.” Still, Isabel tries to rev up her low libido for sex with Eric, buying massage oil and a blindfold—which also lets her pretend she’s with someone else.

Isabel’s story may read like an outline for the next wannabe 50 Shades of Grey franchise, but it’s actually one of several personal accounts punctuating journalist Daniel Bergner’s bold new book, What Do Women Want? Adventures in the Science of Female Desire. Bergner’s account of myth-shattering research into female sexuality arrives amid a publishing landslide on the topic, joining Bella Ellwood-Clayton’s Sex Drive: In Pursuit of Sexual Desire and Katherine Angel’s Unmastered: A Book on Desire, Most Difficult to Tell. Together they offer startling revelations about female desire—or rather its absence, a fevered debate of our time.

Low female libido—“hypoactive sexual desire disorder” as its been medicalized—has been the subject of hand-wringing for decades. It’s the Where’s Waldo? of scientific research, as drug companies desperately seek a “female Viagra.” There’s big money to be made: a 2005 study in the Canadian Medical Association Journal claimed between 35 and 40 per cent of women have low libido—which suggests “low” is in fact closer to “average.” Ellwood-Clayton spells out the problem in Sex Drive:“Once in a secure relationship, women’s sex drive begins to plummet,” she writes. The Canadian-born sexual anthropologist cites a German study that found that four years into a relationship, less than half of 30-year-old women wanted regular sex with their partners. After 20 years of marriage only 20 per cent of women did. Men’s libidos, on the other hand, remained pretty constant.

The issue, we’ve long thought, is that women just aren’t interested; female desire is simply weaker, and stoked by intimacy and familiarity. But scientists are now wondering whether commitment itself might be the problem. In other words, it’s not a libido deficit, it’s monogamy—an unspoken two-year itch. As Bergner puts it, the female drug we’re really seeking is “monogamy’s cure.”

Female desire is a relatively new field of research. Until the late 1970s, the male-dominated field of sexology focused on documenting male behaviour and performance. The more complex, discrete mechanisms of female lust were inconsequential. Anatomical drawings of female rats didn’t bother to include the clitoris, Bergner reports. Even today, a peep-show stigma remains attached to sexology in academe, particularly in the U.S., which is why many of the scientists he interviews are Canadian.

Psychologist Lori Brotto of the University of British Columbia cuts to the chase: “Sometimes I wonder whether [low female desire] isn’t so much about libido as it is about boredom,” she says. Ken Wallen, a psychologist and neuroendrocrinologist whose work at Emerson University outside Atlanta has revealed that female rhesus monkeys are the sexual aggressors, echoes the sentiment: “The idea that monogamy serves the natural sexuality of women may not be accurate,” he says. Bergner also cites an Australian study of women over age 40 that correlated low female desire to the length of time a woman had been with her partner, not hormonal changes. Once those women were with new partners, libido returned.

American psychologist Marta Meana routinely sees women whose white-hot lust for their partner has turned to ash. She theorizes that, within monogamy, women’s narcissistic need to feel desired is not being met: they feel their partners are trapped and that “a choice—the lust-propelled selection of her—was no longer being made.” One of the women interviewed in In What Do Woman Want?, Sophie, reveals how she compensates to summon lust for her husband: by fantasizing about being ravaged by Yankee shortstop Derek Jeter.

The “you complete me,” best-friends model held as the marital ideal and routinely joked about as a turn-off for men may actually be even more so for women, says Meana: “There has to be an ‘other’ for there to be sexiness.”

The idea that women might be ill-suited for monogamy flies in the face of entrenched thinking that women use sex to bond while men use intimacy for sex, as enshrined in the “intimacy-based sex-response cycle” pioneered by Rosemary Basson, a professor of psychiatry at UBC. It also upends the “parental investment theory,” the notion that men’s seemingly limitless reproductive capacity is why they fling seed far and wide, while women maximize limited reproductive resources by being choosy. Societies have long used the low-libido explanation to maintain order: it discourages female infidelity and has freed women’s energy to focus on home and children.

But that doesn’t jibe with the new thinking that a big part of what triggers female desire is to be desired. Some of this is conditioned: the idea that women—or “good” women—must be pursued and coaxed into sex. But women also expend a lot of energy on the hunt, Elwood-Clayton points out—much of that also focused on being desired. The stakes are even higher for women in the current hypersexualized culture, she writes: “Our desire to appear desirable exceeds desire itself.” Jim Pfaus, a Concordia University psychologist and neurobiologist, sees the double standard surrounding female sexuality rooted in fear: “We men are afraid that if we open the box, open her control, we’re opening ourselves to being cuckolded. We’re afraid of what’s inside.” A glimpse of the box’s contents was provided by Natalie Angier’s 1999 book Woman: An Intimate Geography, which describes the clitoris as the only organ designed purely for pleasure; it has 8,000 nerve fibres—twice the number in the penis. “Who needs a handgun when you’ve got a semiautomatic?” Angier writes.

At Queen’s University in Kingston, Ont., psychologist Meredith Chivers is working to expose the “animal truth” of female desire. Her research, which uses a plethysmograph, a miniature bulb and light sensor placed in the vagina, suggests women’s desire is as omnivorous as men’s; they’re equally aroused by a range of pornography and are far more responsive to stories involving strangers than long-time lovers. Yet when asked to rate their arousal, women downplay it, particularly when the stimuli aren’t socially acceptable.

Chivers’s findings suggest that women buy into the zipped-up model of their own sexuality. Yet as Katherine Angel makes clear in her sexual memoir, Unmastered, female desire is a tangle of complex, often contradictory impulses fed by the mind, the heart, the images we see, things we’ve read and been told. Angel, a post-doctoral fellow at the Centre for the History of Medicine at Warwick University, writes of processing her first erotic impulses: “The words I would have put this into, had I felt the urge—the words I still put this into—are these: ‘I feel like a man.’ ” She understood, even then, that as a woman she had to tamp those impulses down.

Fittingly, Angel’s lyrical, explicit meditation on her own desire, a “ferocious and vulnerable” thing, defies traditional narrative structure. She weaves trenchant social observation throughout the book, exploring seeming contradictions like being a feminist who enjoys sexual submission. She calls porn “misogynistic, coercive, tacky,” but, like Chivers’s subjects, can be turned on by it: “I imagine sex with her—or is it me?—through his eyes. I see myself as he might. I allow myself desire for her through my desire for him.” Awareness of her capacity for pleasure feeds her desire, she writes.

Pfaus believes the new spotlight on female sexuality will make way for a revolution among women in the next generation: “We’re going to see more supposedly male-like behaviour, more women picking up men, more women getting laid and leaving, having sex without wanting to bond, more girls up in their rooms clicking on their computer and masturbating before they get started on their homework.” It’s a tableaux destined to horrify many. But, paradoxically, it could also pave the way to more aware, realistic marital expectations—and that includes new ways of scratching the two-year itch.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Society
KEYWORDS: culturewar; feminism; sexinthecity; thehookupculture
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1 posted on 06/23/2013 10:56:25 AM PDT by rickmichaels
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To: rickmichaels
Eric is sensitive, smart, kind and handsome. He’s an attentive lover, the sort of man who, on Valentine’s Day, draws her a bath surrounded by candles and arranges rose petals into a heart shape on the bed.

Do guys really do this?

2 posted on 06/23/2013 10:59:52 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: rickmichaels

I dunno.

Just saying... I dunno.

Sounds like yet another woman, seeking yet another unconventional spin.

Couldn’t swear to it, but I dunno.


3 posted on 06/23/2013 11:01:59 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cyber Liberty

Apparently if he wants to get some he has to.


4 posted on 06/23/2013 11:03:12 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Cyber Liberty

That whole first paragraph makes me ill. I have the distinct impression that I wouldn’t much care for any of those people; that Isabel is a shrewish high-maintenance bitch, and that Eric is a pansy. And that the un-named ex-boyfriend is a jerk and probably a criminal.


5 posted on 06/23/2013 11:04:00 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: rickmichaels

If guys would just realize that sex starts hours before “doing it” and that women don’t want to just “hit it” and they hate it if the men expect them to act like porn stars, things would get better.


6 posted on 06/23/2013 11:06:25 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: rickmichaels

The jaded, the unhappy, the perpetually seeking stimulus, now has quantified themselves as a disease state. Sort of like the new disease obesity. It is all about who pays for the therapy. For lots of folks under the current stressors, sleep is the new sex.

Subject covered without so much drivel by “therapists” in song by the real deal Atlanta Rhythm Section. Played the old way, on a turntable. Enjoy:

Imaginary Lover

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6Z-DQGqM90


7 posted on 06/23/2013 11:06:43 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: rickmichaels

Thanks for the post.


8 posted on 06/23/2013 11:06:58 AM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: rickmichaels
They say a picture is woth a thousand words. This woman's problem and solution can be summed up in this picture.

9 posted on 06/23/2013 11:07:16 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: vladimir998

Too true, otherwise he aint gettin’ “nun” LOL.


10 posted on 06/23/2013 11:07:37 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Kartographer

Semper Fidelis. Always Faithful.

That counts for a lot, Marine!


11 posted on 06/23/2013 11:08:46 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Cyber Liberty

All this new age psycho babble BS is why we are at this place in society...many men are pansy, wussified girly boys. Women are rude, crude and overbearing. Not all women but I think its leaning toward the majority.

The changes to our culture brought about by cell phones, Hollywood, Facebook and the myriad of liberal political causes have been devastating.


12 posted on 06/23/2013 11:08:48 AM PDT by bigtoona
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To: rickmichaels
“Who needs a handgun when you’ve got a semiautomatic?”

Is there a difference? Apple and an orange... Weapon and its firing mechanism.

13 posted on 06/23/2013 11:11:49 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: rickmichaels

Disgusting.

How about NOT ‘$&’$@?&/!@/!ing at all? How about holding it until you marry?

Idiocracy is already here, I already wrote it here today. Yet another thread!


14 posted on 06/23/2013 11:11:57 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

It’s been my observation that guys will do whatever it takes, or rather some will.

Still, it seems like the dick head approach seems to garner the best results. You know playing games -— as sophomoric as that sounds.

Though I’m not predisposed to being a prick, I have observed that if I’m in a foul mood, not interested in sex, or brooding, (which has been often since Obama has assumed office), that she will jump right into the role of a pleaser and will try to turn my attitude around by whatever means available.

Contrast that with sweet guy mode, and I’m like a gerbil running on the wheel trying to get some affection.

Sucks for a guy who is not predisposed to being a cheater!


15 posted on 06/23/2013 11:15:19 AM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: Kartographer

I know it’s nice they are praying, and honoring the tradition of not seeing the dress until the wedding, but I hope they honored the very important tradition of not screwing before marriage like the low-class in this article.


16 posted on 06/23/2013 11:15:37 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: rickmichaels

Why so complicated.... ????? Sheeeesh!


17 posted on 06/23/2013 11:15:47 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: rickmichaels
The male push to get women to become "Sandra Fluke", i.e., easy to bed and leave without responsiblity. The whole movement is successful (just like "Liberated" women now give it away for free to casual partners) and men win, again.

Nothing is saved for marriage anymore, and you see that in the marriage numbers....why buy the cow, when the milk is free?

Of course, the rise in faggot/dyke activity is related to the "what else is left?" after destruction of any intimate bonding between sexes, NATURALLY.

18 posted on 06/23/2013 11:17:19 AM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: bigtoona
All this new age psycho babble BS is why we are at this place in society...many men are pansy, wussified girly boys. Women are rude, crude and overbearing. Not all women but I think its leaning toward the majority. The changes to our culture brought about by cell phones, Hollywood, Facebook and the myriad of liberal political causes have been devastating.

I think I agree — there's this video which, I think, explains a lot of how women are essentially unpleasable.
Because they cannot find one who matches these contradictory attributes, the one that society says that they deserve, they become less and less grateful for even those men around them that do have good traits.

19 posted on 06/23/2013 11:17:54 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Did anyone ever tell you that you have a very elegant way with words? ;-)


20 posted on 06/23/2013 11:20:25 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: ArrogantBustard

Oh yeah....it’s great to be someone’s “possession” until he kills you when you want to break up. Ever notice how many times that is mentioned in the news story of a woman being murdered? Women are really stupid...living in their own soap operas for some excitement in their lives.


21 posted on 06/23/2013 11:20:26 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: rickmichaels
Her research, which uses a plethysmograph, a miniature bulb and light sensor placed in the vagina, suggests women’s desire is as omnivorous as men’s

Women generate light "down there?"

I guess you learn something new every day.

Regards,

22 posted on 06/23/2013 11:23:08 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: rickmichaels
Her research, which uses a plethysmograph, a miniature bulb and light sensor placed in the vagina, suggests women’s desire is as omnivorous as men’s; they’re equally aroused by a range of pornography and are far more responsive to stories involving strangers than long-time lovers. Yet when asked to rate their arousal, women downplay it, particularly when the stimuli aren’t socially acceptable.

Which illustrates the old maxim "ignore what women say, watch what they do".

23 posted on 06/23/2013 11:24:23 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: yldstrk

“If guys would just realize that sex starts hours before “doing it” and that women don’t want to just “hit it” and they hate it if the men expect them to act like porn stars, things would get better.”

Better for who? ;-)


24 posted on 06/23/2013 11:28:31 AM PDT by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
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To: Cyber Liberty

I feel sorry for any guy who does.


25 posted on 06/23/2013 11:28:36 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Agreed. I know it’s old fashioned, but the rebbe says that if you don’t wait, you will never be close. If you wait you will be joined together soul to soul like it is supposed to be. So, think about that before you whip your wienie out.


26 posted on 06/23/2013 11:29:10 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: alexander_busek

I’ll go out on a limb and guess that the “lignt sensor” is detecting the light from the “miniature bulb” ... and that the setup is probably measuring blood-flow into the lady’s lady-parts.


27 posted on 06/23/2013 11:30:00 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: txrefugee
Oh yeah....it’s great to be someone’s “possession” until he kills you when you want to break up.

Indeed. There's a world of difference between "We're married ... don't even THINK about cheating me" and "You're my livestock".

28 posted on 06/23/2013 11:34:11 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: rickmichaels
This is actually interesting research. It may well be that familiarity breeds boredom in some women's sex life.

And that, dear readers, is the reason I attempt to bed every woman I see. I'm merely trying to make the world a slightly happier place.

Y'see.

29 posted on 06/23/2013 11:38:18 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
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To: rickmichaels; All
This research is bull.

There is an overall poor correlation (r = 0.26) between women's self-reported levels of desire and their VPG readings[8] suggesting that vaginal blood flow is not a reliable indicator of female sexual arousal and a better method is needed. Men using the penile plethysmograph have a far greater correlation between reported arousal and blood flow.

See the Wikipedia article on vaginal photoplethysmography. Not the greatest source, I know, but better than the OP's source.

30 posted on 06/23/2013 11:39:08 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: ArrogantBustard
And that the un-named ex-boyfriend is a jerk and probably a criminal.

I'm trying to reform, and the judge says I can get an Expungement if I stay out of trouble for eight more years.

31 posted on 06/23/2013 11:39:26 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
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To: rickmichaels

It strikes me that there’s way-too-easy a correlation being suggested between couples’ meeting, becoming intimate, conceiving, having a baby and getting that baby through the first 6-12 months of life.

When the child will be ready to be claimed by the state and put into state-mandated care. While the parents go about their merry way in meeting, becoming intimate with, conceiving children with ... other partners.

There are damn good reasons why the monogamous parents/family unit developed as the foundation of society. Yes, it involves some degree of discipline to overcome various primal instincts (discipline that too often enough breaks down for too many people). But that’s why humans are supposed to be blessed with the gift of reason, right?


32 posted on 06/23/2013 11:41:40 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: the OlLine Rebel
I know it’s nice they are praying, and honoring the tradition of not seeing the dress until the wedding, but I hope they honored the very important tradition of not screwing before marriage like the low-class in this article.

Here's the story behind the photo. And yes, they both waited.

The Power of Prayer(Yes, it's a blog)

33 posted on 06/23/2013 11:41:57 AM PDT by liege (You don't drive out the darkness; you turn on the light.)
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To: alexander_busek
Women generate light "down there?"

Yes.

Yes they do.

In fact, when I hit it with some women, there's this strobe-light effect that might make people think they are in an old-school disco.

34 posted on 06/23/2013 11:41:58 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
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To: Lazamataz
Here ya go:


35 posted on 06/23/2013 11:43:28 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard; Lazamataz

Was that “before” or “after” Laz hit it?


36 posted on 06/23/2013 11:45:01 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Cyber Liberty
Do guys really do this?

I guess metrosexuals do.

37 posted on 06/23/2013 11:46:21 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: rickmichaels

A store that sells new husbands has opened in New York City , where a woman may go to choose a husband. Among the instructions at the entrance is a description of how the store operates:

You may visit this store ONLY ONCE!
There are six floors and the value of the products increase as the shopper ascends the flights.
The shopper may choose any item from a particular floor, or may choose to go up to the next floor,
but you cannot go back down except to exit the building!

So, a woman goes to the Husband Store to find a husband.
On the first floor the sign on the door reads:

Floor 1 - These men Have Jobs

She is intrigued, but continues to the second floor, where the sign reads:

Floor 2 - These men Have Jobs and Love Kids.

‘That’s nice,’ she thinks, ‘but I want more.’

So she continues upward. The third floor sign reads:

Floor 3 - These men Have Jobs, Love Kids, and are Extremely Good Looking.

‘Wow,’ she thinks, but feels compelled to keep going.

She goes to the fourth floor and the sign reads:

Floor 4 - These men Have Jobs, Love Kids, are Drop-dead Good Looking and Help With Housework.

‘Oh, mercy me!’ she exclaims, ‘I can hardly stand it!’

Still, she goes to the fifth floor and the sign reads:

Floor 5 - These men Have Jobs, Love Kids, are Drop-dead Gorgeous, Help with Housework, and Have a Strong Romantic Streak.

She is so tempted to stay, but she goes to the sixth floor, where the sign reads:

Floor 6 - You are visitor 31,456,012 to this floor. There are no men on this floor. This floor exists solely as proof that women are impossible to please. Thank you for shopping at the Husband Store.
.


38 posted on 06/23/2013 11:47:41 AM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: rickmichaels

I didn’t need to read the article to come to the conclusion, if they don’t want it:
THEY’RE DOING IT WRONG!
Nuff said...


39 posted on 06/23/2013 11:48:15 AM PDT by poobear (Socialism in the minds of the elites, is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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To: rickmichaels
She theorizes that, within monogamy, women’s narcissistic need to feel desired is not being met: they feel their partners are trapped and that “a choice—the lust-propelled selection of her—was no longer being made.” One of the women interviewed in In What Do Woman Want?, Sophie, reveals how she compensates to summon lust for her husband: by fantasizing about being ravaged by Yankee shortstop Derek Jeter.

Here is what the theory boils down to, as far as I can tell: women want to be raped by men who are overcome by their lust.

40 posted on 06/23/2013 11:49:27 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lazamataz
I'm trying to reform

Yeah.

Right.

41 posted on 06/23/2013 11:52:20 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

How do you make a woman stop having sex?

Marry her.


42 posted on 06/23/2013 11:53:13 AM PDT by bicyclerepair (Inbred, pedophile-worshipping, misogynists (mozlums) offend me.)
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To: rickmichaels

Women are not that different from men.....they just hide their secrets better, incluing their sex life.


43 posted on 06/23/2013 11:54:18 AM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: rickmichaels

No man can ever know what a woman wants. Hell, they don’t even know themselves and wouldn’t tell you if they did.


44 posted on 06/23/2013 11:58:16 AM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

I have no idea ... but odds are that somebody is “hittin’ it” ... and that the union might possibly be fertile. And I really wonder what it’s like for a kid to grow up with mommy looking like that.


45 posted on 06/23/2013 11:58:22 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
I’ll go out on a limb and guess that the “lignt sensor” is detecting the light from the “miniature bulb” ... and that the setup is probably measuring blood-flow into the lady’s lady-parts.

I thought that, by "bulb," they meant some sort of bladder (like the little rubber bulb of an eye-dropper). But a light bulb does make more sense. Hope that it's not an old-style incandescent bulb. That could be painful!

Regards,

46 posted on 06/23/2013 12:06:37 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Emasculated “men”. Reminds me of Nero-—Caligula-—men who preferred boys in their beds and orgies with males and flowers and baths.


47 posted on 06/23/2013 12:07:20 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Lancey Howard

Your summary of her theory is pretty close to my theory.

My theory is, women either want a man similar to their Father if they had a good Father/Daughter relationship and/or they want a brutus beefcake type guy who treats them like a whore. The brutus beefcake syndrome happens when a woman feels like she has been chosen above all others since brutus can pick anyone. She’s willing to accept the degrading treatment because she’s obviously better than all the other women. If a woman can’t find a brutus, she settles for someone like her Father.

Nomex fireproof suit is on, ready for the responses. BTW, been in a loving monogamous marriage for 15 years and have been in a monagamous relationship with that same person for 18 years. I’m the guy that’s almost identical to her Father that she settled for after all the college flings that treated her like dirt chose others.

Of course, I’m fantastic in the bedroom so she has no reason to stray. LOL!

Flame away ladies.


48 posted on 06/23/2013 12:10:53 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: rickmichaels

The reason there are so many complaints about a decline in sexual desire in America is that the public is barraged with too much sexual material, pictorial, writings and probably discussion. Steak is great but not 24/7.


49 posted on 06/23/2013 12:12:48 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: elkfersupper

They’ll also leave you when you can’t figure out what they don’t even know.


50 posted on 06/23/2013 12:15:33 PM PDT by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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