God’s Word is Our Lord Jesus Christ. The Scriptures are the books His Church reads. I am increasingly of the view of Tertullian that those outside the Church (by which I, like all Orthodox Christian, mean what is now commonly called the Eastern Orthodox Church) have no right to appeal to them against the Church.
Heretics like Luther (or for that matter Leo X, or any of the other Pope of Rome since the Latin schism from the Church) have not refuted the teachings of the Fathers of the Church, but presented specious (usually rationalistic) arguments against them. Christianity is not an ideology founded on a text, but a way of Life founded on a Person. Again, if you won’t read an essay that begins with that as its starting point, it is you who are impoverished. Now this is a strange thing: you are willing to read and engage, for or against, all manner of argumentation that is not “Biblical” when supporting ID, but won’t read an essay of Scriptural exegesis that starts from something other than your own preconception of how the Scriptures should be read.
[[have no right to appeal to them against the Church.]]
wow- ok-
[[Heretics like Luther]]
Again, wow-
[[have not refuted the teachings of the Fathers of the Church, but presented specious (usually rationalistic) arguments against them]]
Oh ,that’s right, they appealed to Go’ds word- excuse me, the ‘books’ for their arguments-
[[Christianity is not an ideology founded on a text, but a way of Life founded on a Person. Again, if you won’t read an essay that begins with that as its starting point, it is you who are impoverished.]]
so let me see if I udnerstand htis right- If I chose to bleeive that the word of God is the word of God as described by God Hismelf, and that He gave His word through the writers of the bible by divine inspiration directly from Him, and IF I choose to ignore the word of man, ie: Certain folsk in church history who apparently eschewed the word of God- then I’m impoverished?
[[Now this is a strange thing: you are willing to read and engage, for or against, all manner of argumentation that is not “Biblical” when supporting ID, ]]
I am? Funny thing indeed- becasue I’ve given scripture which supports the idea of ID, and referred to biblical records which refute macroevoltuion- not sure where you’re comign uop with htis stuff? And quite frankly there is no rule agaisnt usign science along with God’s word to support What God’s word states- not sure where you get the idea it must be ‘all or nothing’ so to speak? God CLEARLY states in His word that He has given enough proof all around us that He exists and that things are just as He states so that noone iwll have the excuse that there wasn’t proof-
[[but won’t read an essay of Scriptural exegesis that starts from something other than your own preconception of how the Scriptures should be read]]
you’ve given absolutely no reason to- I’ve asked you several times now whether there was sin and death BEFORE the fall of man or not- You’ve thus far refused to address thsi issue- IF trhere was no sin and death before the fall of man- then the precepts laid out by the paper you’re pushign are simply not biblical- period- Why woudl I wish to take man’s word over God’s word ESPECIALLY WHEN mans’ word contradicts God’s word and won’t even answer basic important questions that are detrimental to their word?
My loss? I think not sir-
[[God’s Word is Our Lord Jesus Christ. The Scriptures are the books His Church reads. I am increasingly of the view of Tertullian that those outside the Church (by which I, like all Orthodox Christian, mean what is now commonly called the Eastern Orthodox Church) have no right to appeal to them against the Church.]]
Thank you for finally statign your position- it’s clear that our conversation about religious matters can go no further- you’ve made it [pretty clear that we ignant bible readers and clingers are just too stupid to grasp the ‘new knowledge’ and we just don’t udnerstand that millions of years coudl have gone by without any death or sin whiel species evolved untril eventaully Adam sinned
I’ve asked several times for an explanation, and it’s very apparent by now that oen is not forthcoming- I’ve explained how the Hebrews often used the cardinal before using hte ordinals in regards to lsits, and received no reply o nthat issue and it seems that your only itnention now is to infomr Christians that we have no right appealing to God’s word when defendign Scriptures- and that we apparently are ignorant for not takign the word of man over the word of God-
Sicne you won’t answer basic questions, nor comment about explanations that refute claism you make- one can only conclude that you are only itnerested in making unsubstantiated unbiblical claims and are not interested in backign them up- that isn’t a discussion- that is a sermon-
[[but won’t read an essay of Scriptural exegesis that starts from something other than your own preconception of how the Scriptures should be read.]]
And just for the record, I’ve heard all the arguments before, read all the common claism before- and have coem to the same logical conclusiosn then as I do now - and further more, it isn’t just ‘my’ preconceptions, it is also the beleif of many scholars and students of God’s word and millions of Christians throughout the ages- all who have come to hte same logical conclusions- We bitter bible clingers have asked the questions abotu sin and death long ago and we received the same answers back then as I’m receivign here today i nthsi thread- Zilch- Zero- Nada- I’ve presented the Yom and echad and I’ve even presented the definition of nephesh chayyah which speaks abotu vertebrate eath AFTER the fall long ago here on FR and received back then what I’m receivign here- Crickets chirping in background-
and just for the record- it’s funny how a ‘mere book’ coudl have prpphesided so many prophesies and been so correct in all of them- Not bad for a bunch of sheepherders and unlearned men-
2 TIMOTHY 3:16 NKJ
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
2 PETER 1:20-21 NIV
20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation.
21 For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
2 PETER 1:21 NEB
21 For it was not through any human whim that men prophesied of old; men they were, but, impelled by the Holy Spirit, they spoke the words of God.
Woopsie- Forgot us heritics aint sposed to appeal to God’s word to show that His word was His Holy Word spoken htrough inspiration to those He chose to record His word-