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Clash of the Titans: An Exploration of Verdi & Wagner
WQXR ^ | 5/22/2013

Posted on 05/24/2013 6:50:41 AM PDT by Borges

Giuseppe Verdi and Richard Wagner wrote some of the most famous music of all time. They became icons of their nations during turbulent eras: Verdi for Italy and Wagner for Germany. Their music still moves us, and their operas still play to packed houses around the world.

But, in many ways, the two composers were fundamentally opposites, and on the occasion of their Bicentennial year, WQXR presents a one-hour program exploring these crucial differences. We learn how these two men of music, both born in the same year, but flowering in completely different directions, ultimately empowered both the greatest and the worst sides of humanity.

Host Jeff Spurgeon and producer Aaron Cohen speak with a collection of scholars to illuminate the essential differences between these two titans of 19th century opera.


TOPICS: Music/Entertainment
KEYWORDS: classicalmusic; opera; verdi; wagner
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This is an excellent presentation. Audio at the link.
1 posted on 05/24/2013 6:50:41 AM PDT by Borges
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Classical Ping


2 posted on 05/24/2013 6:51:18 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

Give me Wagner every time. Verdi...ehh.


3 posted on 05/24/2013 6:56:47 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything. Bolshies' gonna bolsh.)
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To: Paine in the Neck

Well, since you mention it, Wagner would have been the pitcher and Verdi the catcher. That said, Verdi’s SANCTUS from the Requiem is pretty Wagnerian. And we can never forget the day Giuseppe asked: “do you spell your name with a V, Mr. Wagner?”


4 posted on 05/24/2013 7:01:20 AM PDT by golux
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To: golux

Verdi and Wagner never met.


5 posted on 05/24/2013 7:09:59 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

Its not Wagner its Vogner(src). I like the new upgrade for
classical music. Neo classical. Like Tony MacAlpitne and
Gentaro. Actually Bethoven, Chopin and some of Mozart,
was just Heavy Metal before it’s time.
Nothing like Moonlight Sonata played twice as fast through
a Marshall. But there is nothing like listening to the
original classical (old fuddy duddy stuff) when your doing
something tedious and frustrating, like guilding gold lief. Thanks for the link.


6 posted on 05/24/2013 7:16:24 AM PDT by Slambat
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To: Borges

I love ‘em both, but for different reasons.

I want “Verdi’s Requiem” at my funeral, but heck, I’ll settle for Der Gotterdammerung!”

(I don’t ask for much!)


7 posted on 05/24/2013 7:17:32 AM PDT by left that other site (You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Set You Free...John 8:32)
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To: Borges

Who was Verdi?

Oh, yeah, him.

Anyone who thinks they might not like Wagner might have their mind nudged a bit in the right direction by watching Wagner’s Dream, about the conception and creation of the spectacular staging of the Ring by the Met a few years ago. If your mind is then transformed into fertile soil, watch the entire DVD set of that magnificent production (don’t forget the subtitles!).

I’ll resist the long parade of superlatives I could add here about it: just watch it, and your eyes, ears and mind will be opened.


8 posted on 05/24/2013 7:17:35 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: dagogo redux
Anyone who thinks they might not like Wagner might have their mind nudged a bit in the right direction by watching Wagner’s Dream, about the conception and creation of the spectacular staging of the Ring by the Met a few years ago. If your mind is then transformed into fertile soil, watch the entire DVD set of that magnificent production (don’t forget the subtitles!).

Is that the Ring with "the machine"? I still have not seen that version. I liked the Chereau Bayreuth version from the mid 70's and the Met version from the 80's. Most other productions look like the the typical Eurotrash we get nowadays. Here in the Houston they are going to present Das Rheingold for the first time. Looks like it's going to be the Valencia Cirque des Soileil style staging.

9 posted on 05/24/2013 7:28:41 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Borges

‘Rockaria’ ELO

She’s sweet on Wagner
I think she’d die for Beethoven
She loves the way Puccini lays down a tune
And Verdi’s always creeping from her room.

Classical chicks rock!


10 posted on 05/24/2013 7:31:41 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: dagogo redux

Verdi’s operas have the best musical characterization of any others except those of Mozart.


11 posted on 05/24/2013 7:35:18 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Sans-Culotte
The '80s Met version is my favorite. The "machine" version just felt 'off'. I can't articulate why, maybe a subconscious reaction to making the machine the star.

I worked my Met dvds hard for a while. My kids referred to Das Rheingold as the 'screeching underwater fairies'.

12 posted on 05/24/2013 7:41:01 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything. Bolshies' gonna bolsh.)
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To: Borges

For operas to enjoy — Puccini and Mozart!


13 posted on 05/24/2013 7:53:10 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: BenLurkin

Verdi isn’t enjoyable?


14 posted on 05/24/2013 7:58:38 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

Not saying that.

Just expressing my pedestrian personal preferences.


15 posted on 05/24/2013 7:59:47 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Paine in the Neck

Wagner is fine. After all, he did invent the theme song. But Verdi’s music shakes the soul to its very foundations.


16 posted on 05/24/2013 8:02:10 AM PDT by stop_fascism (Free Nakoula)
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To: Sans-Culotte

“Is that the Ring with “the machine”?”

Yes, it is.


17 posted on 05/24/2013 8:19:05 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Borges

There are elements of German, French, and Russian opera which I enjoy listening to. Italian opera has always left me totally cold.


18 posted on 05/24/2013 8:41:27 AM PDT by varmintman
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Everyone else was imitating the Italians. Do you mean opera in Italian in general? As in the Mozart operas in Italian?


19 posted on 05/24/2013 8:55:21 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

I don’t have any real use for Mozart’s operas either...


20 posted on 05/24/2013 9:03:28 AM PDT by varmintman
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