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1 posted on 04/08/2013 3:05:03 PM PDT by NoLibZone
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It’s funny how the Dems want us to do what they claim Newtown wants with respect to gun control, but those same Dems don’t want to do what the victims want when it comes to sentencing of criminals. If a victim would ask for a swift and certain execution of a shameless murderer, the libs would refuse to support that. But Newtown’s views must prevail? I think not.


2 posted on 04/08/2013 3:09:39 PM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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..it may have been an offer they couldn’t refuse


3 posted on 04/08/2013 3:09:44 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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I’m not accusing you or anything because you’re a good FReeper but I think we should be very careful that we don’t end up carrying out the goals of the left for them.

I’ve done enough studying on Cass Sunstein to know that manipulating your opposition into carrying out your goals is one of his tactics.

Just something to think about.

Besides, the manufacturer may have a longstanding contract that they can’t walk away from.


4 posted on 04/08/2013 3:17:14 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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Right now I'm boycotting ALL ammunition manufacturers because I can't find any ammunition to buy...
5 posted on 04/08/2013 3:18:59 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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Inquiring minds WOULD INDEED like to know...........


6 posted on 04/08/2013 3:20:08 PM PDT by Flintlock ("The British are coming" to TAKE OUR GUNS!--Paul Revere)
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The cartels would be wise to start ammo plants in Mexico.

Borders wide open and there is a huge profit to be made.

heheheh ( then the progressives would demand closed borders ! )


8 posted on 04/08/2013 3:24:48 PM PDT by NoLibZone (A nation's electoral process is as free and fair as its press.)
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Winchester under Olin industries for sure. They are the largest supplier to all branches of service.


9 posted on 04/08/2013 3:27:01 PM PDT by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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The big ones who the governemnt has contracts with are:
Alliant Technologies
Olin Corporation
L-3 Communications’ subsidiary Fuze Products

These companies probably have 50 year old contracts with the government and are pretty much in existence to supply the government.

They impact the overall supply chain because they buy up the raw components in mass, such as brass, chemicals, and powders.


10 posted on 04/08/2013 3:27:42 PM PDT by mnehring
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I forgot United Defense which is under BAE.


11 posted on 04/08/2013 3:29:36 PM PDT by mnehring
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Who won the bid? It should be public record.


12 posted on 04/08/2013 3:31:00 PM PDT by Dusty Road
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I would say though, their trying to run a successful business in difficult times, and as others have said, long standing contract, like from WWII.

I do believe the US gubmint buys ammo from all American manufacturers, and as in WWII if they order 100,000, 25,000 from Remmington, 20,000 from Winchester, 30,000 from Joe Schmoe, etc.

13 posted on 04/08/2013 3:32:07 PM PDT by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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Speaking of getting one enemies to do ones bidding:

What prevents the Cartels from enriching themselves by flooding the US with cheap unmarked Ammo?

The borders are wide open.

They have the abundance of cash to start up very high tech facilities.


20 posted on 04/08/2013 3:43:25 PM PDT by NoLibZone (A nation's electoral process is as free and fair as its press.)
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If I posted an article like this without a legitimate linkage the website 'administrator' would have yanked it.

Having said that, it is a legitimate question. Who sold all that ammo to the central socialist government?

21 posted on 04/08/2013 3:43:41 PM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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Lines for ammo long at Crossroads of West Gun Show Ontario ( Ammo makers picked the DHS over us)
22 posted on 04/08/2013 3:43:50 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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Look on fed Biz Opps, www.fbo.gov, for “awarded contracts” and search for things like ammunition, 223, you know.

It was through fbo that we found out about the request for proposals for the ammo. If a contract was awarded as a follow on to the RFP, it will be detailed on fbo.

It might not be called awarded contracts but click around and you’ll see.


24 posted on 04/08/2013 3:44:53 PM PDT by DBrow
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Had a similar discussion back on April 3rd and Oberon was good enough to provide this answer:

Part of the federal licensing requirements for munitions factories is that federal contracts take first priority in order fulfillment.

25 posted on 04/08/2013 3:45:28 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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Perhaps it was the company that sold ammo to the Afghans a few years back.

AEY Inc operating out of an unmarked office in Miami Beach.

26 posted on 04/08/2013 3:47:46 PM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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One thing I have noticed recently are trucks hauling large trailers full of pine stumps. I mean they will be packed to the gills. Recently I saw one stopped in front of my house by a state highway inspector. He was using portable scales to weight the truck and it’s load.

Maybe they have always been coming by but I have at least begun to notice.

Those stumps are used in making gun powder.


27 posted on 04/08/2013 3:48:54 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/ammo-manufacturers-scramble-keep-demand-reassure-eager-customers

Ammo Manufacturers Scramble to Keep Up with Demand, Reassure Eager Customers

The run on ammunition has manufacturers scrambling to accommodate demand and reassure customers, as many new and seasoned gun owners stock up over fears of new firearms regulations at both the state and federal levels.

Hornady, an ammunition manufacturer located in Grand Island, Nebraska, offers answers to concerned customers on the FAQ page of their website:

Q: Have you stopped production, or has the government forced you to stop?
A: Not at all.

Q: Since we can't find your product you must be selling it all to the government.
A: Nope, less than 5% of our sales are to government entities.

Q: Why can't you make more? Ramp up production? Turn on all the machines?
A:We've been steadily growing our production for a long time, especially the last five years. We've added presses, lathes, CNC equipment, people and space. Many popular items are produced 24 hours a day. Several hundred Hornady employees work overtime every week to produce as much as safely possible. If there is any question about that - please take a tour of the factory. You'll be amazed at what you see.

The page also states:

"We are producing as much as we can; much more than last year, which was a lot more than the year before, etc. No one wants to ship more during this time than we do.

"We appreciate everyone's understanding and patience. We don't know when the situation will improve, so please bear with us a little longer. And remember, when it comes to Hornady Manufacturing, if you don't hear it from us, please don't believe it."

Other ammo manufacturers are saying virtually the same thing.

Jeff Hoffman, president of Black Hills Ammunition told GunsandAmmo:

"We have a little bit of the hunting calibers on hand, like .270, but everything else is gone. It's only skipping once on its way out the door."

Keith Enlow, senior vice president and ammunition manager at Freedom Group, said:

"Even though we're in the middle of panic buying, we don't see the demand for ammunition going away any time soon."

And, according to Guns&Ammo, Remington's official statement on ammo production is:

"Remington is at full capacity at this time in a majority of categories of ammunition. We are continuing to look at how to increase capacity and supply our ammunition products to the various channels of distribution/sales that we support."

The major online ammunition distributors mirror the messages of the manufacturers.

LuckyGunner, located in Knoxville Tennessee provides this message to its customers:

"Our team has been working nights and weekends to ensure that the service we deliver to you is not compromised by the current heightened demand for ammunition."

"Our team is working very hard to secure more product for you and we will.  When its available to be sold, you will see it on our site."

29 posted on 04/08/2013 4:02:57 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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Anyone who values their liberty should be reloading. With store bought ammo, one is always at the mercy of govt and the masses.


31 posted on 04/08/2013 4:16:11 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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