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Juan Williams: Race and the Gun Debate
Wall Street Journal ^ | 3/27/2013 | Juan Williams

Posted on 03/27/2013 4:01:08 AM PDT by Pontiac

The dire implications of these numbers is evident in a Children's Defense Fund report that included a chilling historical perspective: The 44,038 black children killed by guns since 1979 (when national data on the age of gun violence victims was first collected) is "nearly 13 times more" than all the black people killed by lynching in the 86-year period of 1882 to 1968.

Almost 50 years ago, when the 1964 Civil Rights Act was passed, the national out-of-wedlock birthrate was 7%. Today it is over 40%. According to the CDC, the out-of-wedlock birthrate for white children was just 2% in the 1960s. Today it is 30%. Among black children, the out-of-wedlock birthrate has skyrocketed from 20% in the 1960s to a heartbreaking 72% today. The Hispanic out-of-wedlock rate, which has been measured for a much shorter period, was below 40% in 1990 and stands at more than 50% as of the 2010 census.

When President Obama tried to speak to this crippling dynamic in 2008, he was basically told to shut up by Rev. Jesse Jackson. The Chicago-based activist said: "Barack was talking down to black people," then he added a vulgar threat about what he wanted to do in response. The moment revealed the high cost of speaking honestly about social breakdown in black America.

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TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; guncontrol; juanwilliams; race; secondamendment
Juan Williams is one of the few black liberals that actually makes sense occasionally. Read the whole article except for the part where he says he supports gun control he makes sense.
1 posted on 03/27/2013 4:01:08 AM PDT by Pontiac
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To: Pontiac
How many black children were killed by ABORTION during the same time period???

Those were lives ended just as much as those killed by "gun violence..." But NO ONE wants to talk about that.

2 posted on 03/27/2013 4:09:58 AM PDT by Jerrybob (Truth -- the new hate speech.)
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To: Pontiac

No intellectually honest person can support gun control.


3 posted on 03/27/2013 4:14:24 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Pontiac
How many black people in the in the 86-year period of 1882 to 1968 were lynched by other black people?

What would happen if we made the same observation about the 44,038 black children killed by guns since 1979?

4 posted on 03/27/2013 4:15:33 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: Pontiac
FTA: The moment revealed the high cost of speaking honestly about social breakdown in black America.

I seriously question the thinking skills of somebody who can write the line above and follow it up with another line about how he agrees with gun control as a concept. Color him...Clueless. He's willing to broach the subject of culture yet can't understand it as a root cause that is not addressed by trying to control an inanimate object rather than the bad people that use it to do evil.

5 posted on 03/27/2013 4:15:52 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: T-Bird45

This Affirmative Action simpleton just can’t bring himself to connect all of the dots, now can he?

He wouldn’t do it to the liberal media who ostracized and fired him, and he can’t do it with guns because Starr Parker and her group beat him to it and by agreeing to her historical facts in any way would expose the Democrat Party for who they really are; the creators of the KKK and Jim Crow laws.


6 posted on 03/27/2013 4:35:05 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: Jerrybob
Yep, millions of innocent black children killed by "right to choose violence" since Roe v Wade.

Planned Parenthood literally has blood on their hands, yet the NRA is evil to them.

7 posted on 03/27/2013 4:59:15 AM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: T-Bird45

http://www.scientificcomputing.com/news/2013/03/flip-single-molecular-switch-makes-old-brain-young?et_cid=3131616&et_rid=41411654&linkid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.scientificcomputing.com%2fnews%2f2013%2f03%2fflip-single-molecular-switch-makes-old-brain-young There seems to be differences in people ~ the timing of this particular process may make a lot more difference than we can imagine although we see it in the news every day. Just say to yourself “what if this happens to 12 year old girls........” but not ALL 12 year old girls ~ just those from certain groups.


8 posted on 03/27/2013 5:13:11 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Pontiac

LBJ declared War on Poverty. Barack Obama declared unconditional surrender.


9 posted on 03/27/2013 5:14:17 AM PDT by csmusaret (America is more divided today , not because of the problems we face but because of Obama's solutions)
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To: Pontiac

Whenever sensational sounding numbers are posted about the number of “children” killed by guns, realize that the definition of a “child” can be very flexible. In most of these body counts, late teen gang bangers are included just to make the numbers more horrific. You’re thinking of 5 year-olds while the actual count is of turf warring black inner city male 16 thru 19 year-olds.


10 posted on 03/27/2013 5:17:26 AM PDT by zagger
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To: Pontiac
Lynchings, inner-city crime, abortion... Democrats love killing black people!
11 posted on 03/27/2013 5:33:52 AM PDT by Third Person (Do the Strandski!)
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To: Yo-Yo
How many black people in the in the 86-year period of 1882 to 1968 were lynched by other black people? What would happen if we made the same observation about the 44,038 black children killed by guns since 1979?

And how did lynching come to a stop? Certainly not by the Rope Control Act! Lynching came to an end when the potential lynching victims were armed and able to defend themselves, and when courts vigorously prosecuted lynchers for murder.

12 posted on 03/27/2013 5:39:41 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: csmusaret
LBJ declared War on Poverty. Barack Obama declared unconditional surrender.

LBJ declared war on Poverty and the collateral damage was the Black Family and culture.

Barack Obama declared war on Prosperity. I wonder what the collateral damage will be.

13 posted on 03/27/2013 6:07:57 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: zagger
Children are now defined to age 26, according to insurance policies.

14 posted on 03/27/2013 6:09:42 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: Pontiac
The 44,038 black children killed by guns since 1979 (when national data on the age of gun violence victims was first collected) is "nearly 13 times more" than all the black people killed by lynching in the 86-year period of 1882 to 1968.

Juan, how many of those black victims of firearms were shot by whites? (crickets)

15 posted on 03/27/2013 6:21:38 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Pontiac

Sorry - there is a fatal flaw in his basic premise. Lynchings are rightly assigned as actions on behalf of the lynchers. “Gun violence” is assigned as action by the tools used - guns. To be the same, lynchings would have to be assigned to the rope used - when rope is used.

Anyone who talks about “gun violence” without specifically stating up front that they consider the violence to be an act carried out by an individual using a tool is emitting propaganda against a basic tool that is to be unfettered by the law.


16 posted on 03/27/2013 6:21:48 AM PDT by MortMan (Disarming the sheep only emboldens the wolves.)
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To: zagger
Whenever sensational sounding numbers are posted about the number of “children” killed by guns, realize that the definition of a “child” can be very flexible. In most of these body counts, late teen gang bangers are included just to make the numbers more horrific.

Yes statistics can be very deceiving if you don’t look at how they define what they are counting.

But however you define youth/child there are a lot of Blacks killing other blacks.

It makes no sense to blame the guns for the killings and this is the jest of article. Blacks are killing blacks in numbers disproportionate to their representation in the population.

Do Blacks own guns in greater numbers than whites? Not according to any numbers I have ever read. In fact the numbers I have seen would suggest the opposite.

I would suggest as Mr. Williams does that the Black culture is at the root of the problem.

17 posted on 03/27/2013 6:29:08 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac

18 posted on 03/27/2013 6:33:47 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: MortMan
Sorry - there is a fatal flaw in his basic premise. Lynchings are rightly assigned as actions on behalf of the lynchers. “Gun violence” is assigned as action by the tools used - guns. To be the same, lynchings would have to be assigned to the rope used - when rope is used.

I am guessing that you did not read the entire article. You should. Williams major point is not “Gun Violence”.

Williams in his article is making the point that guns are not at the root of the problem with the high rate of black on black murder.

I believe that his analogy of lynching and black on black murder is that Lynching (white on Black murder) is often used in the media as a method of whipping up emotion for the cause but far more blacks have died at the hands of other blacks and this issue prominent by lack of attention it receives in the media and by black politicians/opinion makers.

19 posted on 03/27/2013 6:45:16 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac

The shooters in these “black deaths” are almost 100% black Juan, while white murderer percentages are at your idealistic European levels.

So, if you are OK with violating civil rights in order to attain a little safety, wouldn’t it make more sense to ban all black people from possessing weapons?

If that strikes you as wrong Juan, please tell us why. Wouldn’t disarmed black people be safer? How is making them safer a violation of their rights, Juan?


20 posted on 03/27/2013 6:52:39 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Pontiac
Apparently, the heart of opposition to new gun regulations is in the white community. Yet white people face far less daily violence with guns.

Gee, I wonder why?

The Justice Department reports that between 1980 and 2008, "blacks were six times more likely than whites to be homicide victims and seven times more likely than whites to commit homicide."

So six times more likely to be victoms and seven times more likely to be killers means black perp violence spills out of the black community. Which we are seeing more and more of, beyond the homicide rate. Ergo, the desire of whites to not give up their legal weapons in the face of perps who don't give a fig about the legality of the weapons they are brandishing.

21 posted on 03/27/2013 6:57:17 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Pontiac
But however you define youth/child there are a lot of Blacks killing other blacks.

A true statement, but I take issue with the fall back issue of black-on-black crime. The truth is that the issue is primarily black-on-everyone crime. Blacks are more than 300% more likely that whites to be be violent perps, that is the issue, not the race of the victims.

22 posted on 03/27/2013 6:57:29 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: zagger

The Brady Bunch counts 25 year-olds as “children,” and abusive ex-husbands shot in the act of attempted murder of their former spouses as “family members,” and the punk shot while burglarizing the next door neighbor’s home as a “friend.”


23 posted on 03/27/2013 7:06:25 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Pontiac

Thank you Lyndon Baines Johnson, and “Great Society” for rewarding welfare mothers who kick their husbands out to the street.


24 posted on 03/27/2013 7:30:22 AM PDT by Banjoguy (The Mayor of San Antonio is the smoothest liar I have ever seen.)
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To: Yo-Yo

***How many black people in the in the 86-year period of 1882 to 1968 were lynched by other black people?***

According to an article I read years ago, there were 5000 lynchings in the South by the KKK.
3500 were blacks.
1500 were white Republicans.


25 posted on 03/27/2013 7:49:13 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The murals in OKC are destroyed. :-()
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To: Pontiac
The 44,038 black children killed by guns since 1979

The only way to get to this intellectually dishonest number is by including 18-year-old gangbangrs killing each other off, which I think can reasonably be argued as performing a public service.

26 posted on 03/27/2013 8:12:09 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: zeugma

Actually, some anti-gun groups quietly include those well into their 20s as ‘children’.


27 posted on 03/27/2013 8:14:25 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Pontiac

I do not care if he gets anything correct. He is still a POS.


28 posted on 03/27/2013 8:20:55 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: zeugma
The 44,038 black children killed by guns since 1979

The only way to get to this intellectually dishonest number is by including 18-year-old gangbangrs killing each other off, which I think can reasonably be argued as performing a public service.

Williams acknowledges the problem is primarily the Gangbanger culture.

The shame and silence is enforced by civil-rights leaders who speak in support of gun control but never about a dysfunctional gangster-rap culture that glorifies promiscuity, drug dealers and the power of the gun.

29 posted on 03/27/2013 8:25:45 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: bmwcyle

But at least give the guy credit for being the most well rounded turd on the Left. ;)


30 posted on 03/27/2013 8:31:34 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac

Gun control for everybody because black men shoot people far more than other people do.

Lower test standards because black people fail tests far more often than other people do.

Curfews for all teens because black teens commit crime far more often more than other teens do.

No Voter ID to ensure fair elections because black people can’t manage to get IDs like everyone else.

Investigations into disparate school suspensions numbers because black students can’t behave like other students do.

A constant reduction of rights, freedoms, and standards for everyone because black people, for some reason, disproportionately fall on the bad end of most statistics.


31 posted on 03/27/2013 9:10:20 AM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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To: Pontiac
Almost 50 years ago, when the 1964 Civil Rights Act was passed, the national out-of-wedlock birthrate was 7%. Today it is over 40%. According to the CDC, the out-of-wedlock birthrate for white children was just 2% in the 1960s. Today it is 30%. Among black children, the out-of-wedlock birthrate has skyrocketed from 20% in the 1960s to a heartbreaking 72% today. The Hispanic out-of-wedlock rate, which has been measured for a much shorter period, was below 40% in 1990 and stands at more than 50% as of the 2010 census.

When President Obama tried to speak to this crippling dynamic in 2008, he was basically told to shut up by Rev. Jesse Jackson. The Chicago-based activist said: "Barack was talking down to black people," then he added a vulgar threat about what he wanted to do in response.

So much for good intentions.

32 posted on 03/28/2013 11:10:04 PM PDT by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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