Posted on 02/13/2013 6:42:56 PM PST by SMGFan
We? You got a mouse in your pocket? That may have been the crede when I first joined but this site has changed since then.........
They also had betting slips with his fingerprints on them.
It wasn't even arguable. Giamatti had him dead to rights.
Rose signed the ban. Apparently he must have assumed that Giamatti would keep his mouth shut, but said "Pete Rose bet on baseball".
That's when Pete started to lie.
And acted hurt and betrayed that Giamatti said this publicly.
And as has been said above, Rose was a true hero on the field, and those records will stand. But for those who say, "Well, he gambled as a manager. Doesn't negate his on-field acheivements." Don't forget that Rose was a PLAYER-manager at the end of his career.
Pete was known as a heavy gambler long before that. In his biographies from the 70s he even talks at length about how being a pro athlete requires a certain level of adrenaline and he got that "high" off the field by betting on horses, or football, or what have you. In one particular biography he even brags how "good" he was at playing the ponies. He's extremely knowledgeable at handicapping.
I find it very difficult to believe that he wasn't betting on baseball while still a player (or player-manager), but all of a sudden just "happened" to start when he became a manager full-time.
Sorry to be Debby Downer, but the man is essentially dead to me. Not the hero I loved so much as a kid.
Fans don’t print the cards, Topps does. That’s their decision to make. If fans don’t like it they shouldn’t buy the cards, that’s their decision point.
Essentially that is what I'm saying.
The records of those hitting it out of the park while *Juicing it* should not.
As far as I know Maris or Mantle never juiced it, well Mantle maybe booze, but that is not a performance enhancer :)
Completely agree!
For those who defend the "juicers" of the 90's, I always wonder just what Mantle or for that matter Babe Ruth COULD have done, had they not drank and partied so much.
I'd lay money down that Mantle would have broken the Babe's HR record had he stayed "clean".
For baseball historians, they always comment that Mantle was ungodly with his power. And looking at the distances he hit, he came pretty close to the Bambino.
Alas, alcoholism and a bum knee, and we'll never know.
Then again, the Babe hit in parks that had 500 ft. fences, so maybe he would have approached 1000 HRs in the modern era.
I've read that Mantle tripped over a drainage pipe in the outfield that didn't have the cap on.
Twisted his knee fierce.
Was never the same after that.
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