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David S. Goyer: ‘Man of Steel’ Being Approached ‘As If It Were Real’
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| January 29, 2013
| Andrew Dyce
Posted on 01/29/2013 10:38:05 AM PST by Bratch
Ever since Man of Steel was announced as being written by David S. Goyer and executive produced by Christopher Nolan, the claims of the film being a case of Superman getting the Dark Knight influence have persisted. Even though the two men come from, literally, entirely different worlds.
But according to Goyer, this incarnation of Superman (Henry Cavill) isnt going to be trading realism for fantasy, or hard questions for special effects. In fact, Man of Steel isnt being approached as a comic book movie at all.
While Marvel may have found success developing comic books into movies without removing much of the humor and wonder seen in the source material, Goyer and Nolan did something different with their take on Batman. Removing or re-imagining elements in order to update an aging story or to help the material speak to modern audiences may be seen as blasphemy by some, but to Goyer, its all in the service of a stronger story.
In the latest issue of Empire Magazine (via CBM) Goyer outlines his approach to a story familiar to nearly everyone. While staying respectful of the films that preceded Man of Steel, fans should expect something very different this summer:
Were approaching Superman as if it werent a comic book movie, as if it were real
I adore the Donner films. Absolutely adore them. It just struck me that there was an idealist quality to them that may or may not work with todays audience. It just struck me that if Superman really existed in the world, first of all, this story would be a story about first contact.
Hes an alien. You can easily imagine a scenario in which wed be doing a film like E.T., as opposed to him running around in tights. If the world found out he existed, it would be the biggest thing that ever happened in human history
It falls into that idea of trying to humanise the inhuman. Hes made out of steel, hes not made out of flesh, metaphorically speaking. We are portraying him as a man, yet hes not a man.
The scriptwriter pulls no punches in his characterization of Superman as an alien (his suit already makes that clear), and not the simple embodiment of truth, justice and the American way to which he is so often reduced. However, in the process, Man of Steel seems to be as much a story about societies and how they view outsiders. Specifically, how the entire human race would view something as outside our own experiences as a full-blown alien entity.
Its not hard to see the themes of immigration, belonging, and communal identity that Goyer is driving at (claiming that this is a movie he feels the world needs right now), but conceiving of a Superman who is so markedly removed from mankind takes this reboot into entirely different realms. As Goyer alludes to, Richard Donners Superman (1978) never concerned itself with showing how the government or people on the street would react to an alien revealed to have been hiding among them.
Bryan Singers Superman Returns (2006) jumped even further into acceptance of Superman as a celebrity, not just a superhero. But Cavills closing lines of dialogue seen in the full Man of Steel trailer posed the question to all viewers quite plainly: My father believed that if the world found out what I really was, they would reject me
what do you think?
That willingness to face prejudice, fear, paranoia, and even hatred without sugarcoating humanitys, shall we say, less flattering tendencies, promises a film that is at least new, if not universally-pleasing. The themes at work have impressed executive producer Christopher Nolan, as has director Zack Snyders vision for the big screen. But how do you tell such a serious, grounded story about a superhero from another world?
Thats a question that has yet to be asked by DC superhero movies, since Nolan and Goyers previous work on Batman was an extremely personal story of suffering and trauma. The task is a more difficult one, but at the end of the day, the story of Superman can be reduced to one core question of identity. A question hinted at in the pair of teaser trailers, but hinging on the ability to make it feel real:
It is obviously a much longer process with a character like Superman. It is much easier to do a realistic take on Batman. You know nothing can hurt Superman, presumably other than Kryptonite. The challenge was simply: Can we figure out a way to make those elements work, quote unquote, in the real world? Its very much a story of a man with two fathers.
Nobody ever accused David S. Goyer or Zack Snyder of making things easy on themselves. And as if pairing such a personal struggle alongside massive action and backdrops, the word out of Warner Bros. is that much of the direction and feasibility of any Justice League movie will rest on how Man of Steel is received by the public.
The report comes from Variety, with Warner Bros. President Jeff Robinov explaining that the studio is awaiting the results of Snyders Man of Steel before moving forward. That fact has been assumed to this point, but this certainly puts a damper on anyone expecting massive secret announcements at Comic-Con 2013.
What do you think of Goyers approach to grounding Superman, and facing the worlds reaction to his presence head on? Is this the story youve been waiting to see told (on film) or the wrong direction altogether?
Man of Steel hits theaters June 14th, 2013. Pick up Empires March issue on newsstands this Thursday.
TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Society; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigration; manofsteel; superman
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posted on
01/29/2013 10:38:12 AM PST
by
Bratch
To: Bratch
Emo-Supes is my impression from the trailer. Nolan’s batman trilogy had one great movie, one okay movie and one terrible movie. Thankfully Marvel knows how to do comic book movies.
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posted on
01/29/2013 10:53:45 AM PST
by
Chipper
(You can't kill an Obamazombie by destroying the brain...they didn't have one to begin with.)
To: Chipper
Thanks for posting this. I’m a big Superman fan and despite my misgivings about the new direction taken by ‘Man of Steel’ I appreciate the insight provided by the article.
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posted on
01/29/2013 11:05:40 AM PST
by
lbryce
(BHO:"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds by way Oppenheiner at Trinity NM)
To: Bratch
First, the comics at least touched on these questions from time to time, of Supes being Kryptonian and being a bit of an outsider. He was an infant when he left, and those stories never worked very well.
Second, a Superman with the full array of powers had from about 1950 on would be impossible to make “real”. He is a fantasy character. The 1938 incarnation jumped, ran, punched and “nothing less than a bursting shell could penetrate his skin”. (which doesn’t imply that he couldn’t be poisoned, starved or killed with two bursting shells.)
He didn’t fly. He didn’t have:
heat vision
freeze breath
microscopic vision
no need of food or drink
the ability to stop his heart
telescopic vision
super hearing
x-ray vision
ability to go through time
no need to breath (hence, could fly into outer space)
super ventriliquism
ability to hypnotize people to see Clark Kent diffenrently
ability to pass through walls or change features (one time
use on both from 40s, later ignored)
Super wind
ability to move around the speed of light (that’s so much
faster than a speeding bullet it constitutes a new power)
Super brains (can learn languages in few hours, comprehend things read at superspeed, make complex calculations in his head, except when hit with Fuzz-Brain [see TRS-80 comic books])
No one has gotten Superman right yet. One either must raise the powers of his enemies (or make them employ magic or Kryptonite to weaken Supes), making them fantastic as well, or go back to an early 40s version, perhaps with flight, preferably before WWII, because the war would have been over before it started with him around.
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posted on
01/29/2013 11:05:40 AM PST
by
Dr. Sivana
("C'est la vie" say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell. -- Chuck Berry)
To: Chipper
Nolan did pretty well with all three, particularly the last two and ESPECIALLY the last one.
I’m a Marvel guy, but the Marvel movies haven’t all been that great, either;
Spider-Man (great)
Spider-Man II (excellent)
Spider-Man III (trash)
X-Men didn’t nearly live up, especially the casting.
Wolverine was just OK.
Both HULK movies sucked donkey balls.
Iron Man really brought it out but Avengers just wasn’t that good, bordering on the sucky.
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posted on
01/29/2013 11:13:46 AM PST
by
SJSAMPLE
To: Bratch
I wondered where Charles Brandon got off to....
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posted on
01/29/2013 11:14:18 AM PST
by
CatherineofAragon
(Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
To: Dr. Sivana
Good list.
That’s why Superman doesn’t resonate with anybody over 12.
After twelve, everybody wants to be Batman (money, cars, women, mad phat ass-kicking skeelz).
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posted on
01/29/2013 11:18:33 AM PST
by
SJSAMPLE
To: Bratch
How does he shave? Wouldn’t Superman beard be impervious to a mach 3 razor?
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posted on
01/29/2013 11:32:20 AM PST
by
Sirius Lee
(All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
To: Sirius Lee
How does he shave?
AFAIK, He is only shown with a beard in one comic book where he is dosed with Red Kryptonite (ransom, temporary effects). Supergirl and Krypto combine heat vision to smooth him out. I suppose he could use a piece of mirror from his Kryptonian craft and his own heat vision to groom himself. Supergirl might have more problems with her hair styling.
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posted on
01/29/2013 11:42:22 AM PST
by
Dr. Sivana
("C'est la vie" say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell. -- Chuck Berry)
To: Sirius Lee
How does he shave? Wouldnt Superman beard be impervious to a mach 3 razor?
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posted on
01/29/2013 11:43:31 AM PST
by
Bratch
To: Dr. Sivana
Supergirl might have more problems with her hair styling.
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posted on
01/29/2013 11:49:29 AM PST
by
Bratch
To: Dr. Sivana
They would have to make him fly, because that is the one power that everyone associates with Superman, so the audience would reject any non-flying Supes out of hand nowadays. I do think getting rid of the heat rays/x-rays/superlungs/invincibility is a good idea though. Otherwise, you know that every criminal will be walking around with a pocket full o’ kryptonite, and that is just lame.
To: Dr. Sivana
A good fantasy doesn't need to have foes of equal power, the good guy doesn't have to struggle and barely beat the bad guy, evil doesn't need to be portrayed as omniscient and Omnipotent while good is portrayed as weak but manages to win through incredibly unlikely good fortune.
It's far too simplistic to make it about power levels. Do you think it would be hard to kill superman? His power levels are off the chart but his weakness is also. How about shooting him with a kryptonite bullet? Bang! Dead alien superhero. Has no one ever thought of this? Superman doesn't even bother to dodge bullets. A 12 year old with a zip gun could kill him. Too afraid to shoot superman? (and I can understand that) How about a kryptonite frag grenade? Krypton gas? Let's face it for all his daunting powers he is a soft target.
Wolverine can't fly, he doesn't have heat vision, x-ray vision etc. etc. but he is way harder to kill than superman. He is way meaner too. You try to kill wolverine you are in for a world of hurt, superman will just take you to jail, but wolverine would make you scream before he killed you.
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posted on
01/29/2013 12:24:01 PM PST
by
Durus
(You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
To: Durus
Do you think it would be hard to kill superman? His power levels are off the chart but his weakness is also. How about shooting him with a kryptonite bullet? Bang! Dead alien superhero. Has no one ever thought of this? Superman doesn't even bother to dodge bullets. A 12 year old with a zip gun could kill him. Too afraid to shoot superman? (and I can understand that) How about a kryptonite frag grenade? Krypton gas? Let's face it for all his daunting powers he is a soft target.
Bullets make noise. Between insanely fast relexes and supervision Superman could easily determine that this was no ordinary bullet, and (assuming heat vision couldn't melt it), fly out of harms way, or use super breath to change its path. That's why the preferred method has also been to entice Superman and distract him with a lead lined box. (K-rays don't penetrate lead. Heck, there was one comic where Superman tricked Luthor into thinking he won (with help of a man-made Hebrew mythology Golem) by vibrating the entire civilization into another dimension or something (with Len Wein, anything is possible). Maybe the zip gun in the hands of an innocent looking 10 year old at skin contact (or Mr. Mxyzptlk, who should be able to kill Superman at will, if it wouldn't rob him of fun,but Mxyxptlk is arbitrarily powerful). The Kryptonite gas thing has been done. Do note that Kryptonite acts pretty slowly, and apparently doesn't take away all of Superman's invulnerability, otherwise, someone would have done the Kryptonite box followed by a regular lead bullet. As it is, Lois Lane, a Superman robot, a member of the Justice League, a one-time regular human character, or even another arch-foe shows up in time to save the day. I think the grenade idea has merit if you use human bait to disguise the hidden payload.
Do note that earth-bound Kryptonite was turn to regular rock in Superman #233 (1971), and was out of the picture for years before it had to be returned.
A well-trained sorcerer could do him in if these types could avoid drawing attentionto themselves (simply attend one of the numerous charity events where Superman bends steel girders or something).
As far as Wolverine is concerned, Supes can just dust off his Phantom Zone Ray, and send ol' Wolverine into a netherworld with the likes of Jax-Ur, kru-El and General Zod, who are so vicious, they vaporized a female cohort from the zone at the first opportunity even though she was a knockout (and perfectly resembled BOTH Supergirl AND Lena Thorul). he's been known to put folks in prisons that would make them WISH they were dead. Luthor is grandfathered in to avoid such treatment.
A good fantasy doesn't need to have foes of equal power, the good guy doesn't have to struggle and barely beat the bad guy, evil doesn't need to be portrayed as omniscient and Omnipotent while good is portrayed as weak but manages to win through incredibly unlikely good fortune.
Besides good fortune (which usually saves the day for the likes of Barney Fife types), with the DC heroes, planning ahead and making what should be a simple workaround is replaced with a ridiculously complex formula, often pretending a good guy goes bad, or that someone close to the hero has died. This stems from the DC approach of making the covers first and and the story after. Or the timely arrival of a third party (Snapper Carr, Jimmy Olsen, etc.), but that could fall under incredibly good fortune.
I would say that Captain Marvel should give Superman a good fight (despite having mainly the base powers), because his power comes from magic/mysticism. Jonn Jonnz could also do well if he is in an oxygen free environment (no fire), loaded with Kryptonite, and can throw the first punch.
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posted on
01/29/2013 1:21:45 PM PST
by
Dr. Sivana
("C'est la vie" say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell. -- Chuck Berry)
To: Boogieman
They would have to make him fly, because that is the one power that everyone associates with Superman,
Agreed. Besides the changes in powers, another reason why I'd like to keep Superman in the pre-War 40s is because his excuse for becomeing a reporter was to know what was happening first, in order to fight crime more effectively. Also, he wasn't expected to be in the office all of the time. Today, the reporters are the LAST to know. Even as far back as the 70s the idea of being a newspaper reporter was stale enough that he was promoted to network anchorman (?! What do you expect from a male boss who uses a cigarette holder?) However, in the early 40s, teh Daily Star/Planet was a reasonable place to be.
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posted on
01/29/2013 1:26:45 PM PST
by
Dr. Sivana
("C'est la vie" say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell. -- Chuck Berry)
To: Bratch
I’m really torn on this one. On one hand I’ve always found Superman (and most of the DC not-Batman pantheon) to be painfully boring as a character. On the other hand, Nolan and Snyder.
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posted on
01/29/2013 1:27:08 PM PST
by
discostu
(I recommend a fifth of Jack and a bottle of Prozac)
To: Dr. Sivana
Bullets make noise. Between insanely fast relexes and supervision Superman could easily determine that this was no ordinary bullet, and (assuming heat vision couldn't melt it), fly out of harms way, or use super breath to change its path.
Sure bullets make noise but a piece of kryptonite encased in a normal lead bullet doesn't make a strange noise or act in anyway like an abnormal bullet. How many time has superman let bullets bounce off of him? He seems to take great pleasure in it for some odd reason. As an aside could you even be charged for shooting superman with a normal bullet?
I was never suggesting a Superman vs. Wolverine fight but but if I had to choose a Nemesis I would choose Superman. Sure if he ever got me alone without Kryptonite he could kill me easily, but he wouldn't. He would probably give me a patronizing look and a stern talking too while either waiting for the police to show up or flying me to them. Wolverine...not so much.
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posted on
01/29/2013 1:54:52 PM PST
by
Durus
(You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
To: SJSAMPLE
Marvel didn't do the Spider-Man, X-Men or Wolverine movies. They have only produced Ironman 1&2, Thor, Incredible Hulk (Ed Norton version) Captain America and the Avengers movies. I thought they were also responsible for First Class, which is excellent, but they were not. I think The Avengers was the best of the lot, right up there with Dark Knight. Then again I am a Hulk fan and that movie was owned by the Hulk.
I thought this last Batman movie was the worst of the lot. I doubt I will even buy it. I own the first two, but Dark Knight is the only one I would watch multiple times, and that is not because of Batman.
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posted on
01/29/2013 4:07:05 PM PST
by
Chipper
(You can't kill an Obamazombie by destroying the brain...they didn't have one to begin with.)
To: Bratch; Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows
Removing or re-imagining elements in order to update an aging story or to help the material speak to modern audiences may be seen as blasphemy by some, but to Goyer, its all in the service of a stronger story. Considering the nuSuperman no longer stands for Truth, Justice, and the "American" way, who give a crap about Time-Lies-Warner-Turner's latest crudfest?
To: Durus
but a piece of kryptonite encased in a normal lead bullet doesn't make a strange noise or act in anyway like an abnormal bullet.
Lead shields Superman from the effects of Kryptonite.
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posted on
01/29/2013 4:25:30 PM PST
by
Dr. Sivana
("C'est la vie" say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell. -- Chuck Berry)
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