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RE-POST For Review ***The Real Question: HOW Did They Do It***
stardate: 1211.9

Posted on 11/09/2012 4:43:08 PM PST by The Wizard

***Focus Kids...The Real Question I HOW Did They Do It***

Originally Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2012 5:58:31 AM by The Wizard

We know we had the intensity, we know we had the ground game, and we know we had the turn out that gave us larger numbers than McCain or bama, so, the question needs to be HOW did they do it.

Too many knowledgeable folks who were correct in their assumptions said Romney should have won. Start from that pretense and start looking at the method that could have been used to accomplish the "flip" of votes.....(Only counting every 4th Romney Vote, etc)

My guess is that 4 or more million votes were channeled to bama from Romney in the critical areas that were needed to win....it only needed to be in certain states and viola bama wins....

When you own the DOJ there's no one looking for the problem, (They killed JFK, they ain't just going to roll over) and after seeing what can happen without "Safeguards"= 2010) they were working full time to offset that from happening again....

There was just to much at stake to allow an honest election.

Focus kids......there is someone out there that knows how this was done, you need to find them.


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All this talk of who, why, etc.....it's been clear...this election was stolen.
1 posted on 11/09/2012 4:43:11 PM PST by The Wizard
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To: All

It needs to be focused on...this is what happened...


2 posted on 11/09/2012 4:44:05 PM PST by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: The Wizard

Apparently ORCA was hacked, which compounded the poor planning on the Romney campaign’s part.

Then you have the poll monitors thrown out in Ohio and PA for several hours, enough time to commit fraud.

Then you had the Soros backed company counting the votes, and the widespread use of electronic voting which has been pointed out years ago is susceptible to hacking.


3 posted on 11/09/2012 4:46:23 PM PST by Shadow44
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To: The Wizard
I am working on this theory that the public ground game was shrunk intentionally. I cannot get beyond that.
4 posted on 11/09/2012 4:46:23 PM PST by Perdogg (Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA4) for President 2016)
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To: The Wizard
My guess is that 4 or more million votes were channeled to bama from Romney in the critical areas that were needed to win....it only needed to be in certain states and viola bama wins....

I say your guess is good.

5 posted on 11/09/2012 4:46:23 PM PST by Jane Long ("Miss me yet?" - Mitt)
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To: Shadow44

Machines also broke down in FL and VA in important areas.


6 posted on 11/09/2012 4:47:38 PM PST by Perdogg (Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA4) for President 2016)
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To: The Wizard

Hate to rain on your parade, but you do realize that we lost because too many people sat on their asses and didn’t vote at all. No votes flipped, just no vote happened at all.


7 posted on 11/09/2012 4:47:54 PM PST by republicangel
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To: The Wizard

What is clear, is that despite appearances, America is not ready for a Mormon president. May never be ready for such a thing.

That is what is clear.

All the spin in the world is an attempt to ignore that.

America does not want a Mormon president.

Do not run another one.

Thank you.


8 posted on 11/09/2012 4:49:18 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: Shadow44
Then you have the poll monitors thrown out in Ohio and PA for several hours, enough time to commit fraud.

There needs to be a timely and complete investigation of this. Particularly since the Left can't blather on about "crazy conspiracy theories" since these incidents were public record, reported extensively in real time.

9 posted on 11/09/2012 4:49:57 PM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: republicangel

I saw the lines, the intensity, and have spoken across the board...this election was stolen.


10 posted on 11/09/2012 4:50:46 PM PST by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: GSWarrior

11 posted on 11/09/2012 4:50:56 PM PST by GSWarrior
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To: All

there is someone who knows how this was done....we need to find him..


12 posted on 11/09/2012 4:52:55 PM PST by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: Jane Long

So your belief is the only reason this happened was fraud? The polls clearly showed republicans were losing. Ground game? The Dems are better at it right now. They registered more and got them to the polls. Reality and acceptance are the first step. Now how do we flip this.

If you want to go with fraud we are doomed as a party.


13 posted on 11/09/2012 4:53:23 PM PST by chopperjc
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To: The Wizard

The Obama machine won because the Republican party will not confront the truth that they are dealing with a bunch of crooks criminals and vote rigging Marxists.

Neither will Rush Limbaugh or most of the Republican media cheer squad confront this issue.

They prefer to sweep the facts under the carpet and pretend they’re dealing with an honourable force.

The truth is that the Democrat Party was taken over by communist thugs a long time ago.

Its well past time the Republican party dealt with this truth and stopped ignoring it.


14 posted on 11/09/2012 4:53:31 PM PST by wistful
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

So, we’d rather have a Muslim one instead? (Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck . . . )


15 posted on 11/09/2012 4:54:01 PM PST by Twinkie (Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.)
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To: republicangel

Not true.


16 posted on 11/09/2012 4:56:51 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: The Wizard

They did it the same way they’ve all ways done it. It doesn’t much matter. There aren’t enough men with stones in washinton to mount a fight over the matter.

In my opinion, and this will bring wrath down on me, those in power want to keep it. It doesn’t matter anymore who is president, vice president, or dog catcher. So long as they keep their sorry asses in power they just don’t care about morals, ethics, or the rule of law.

I said a year ago that Zero would be re-elected. A lot of people have gotten very, very rich the last 4 years. They are not going to give that up for us little folk.


17 posted on 11/09/2012 4:57:32 PM PST by mark3681
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To: The Wizard

Two parts:

1. The RINO’s control the pubbies (AKA: the stupid party). Their candidate alienated too many conservatives and damaged turnout.

2. RATs cheat.

That’s all the analysis you need and is more relevant than tomorrow’s drivel from the talking heads.


18 posted on 11/09/2012 4:57:32 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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To: republicangel
Just a few links.......

FUN FACT: Obama Lost in Every State with a Voter Photo-ID Law

What Luck! Obama Won Dozens of Cleveland Districts with 100% of the Vote

Good News: Obama Won County in Ohio with 108% Voter Registration

Colorado Counties Have More Voters Than People

Obama Got Over 99% of Vote Where Inspectors were Removed; Turnout Somehow "30%" Above Gov't Numbers

19 posted on 11/09/2012 4:58:42 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: Twinkie

I’d much rather have a Mormon in the WH than a Muslim lover. What’s wrong with you people? We weren’t electing a pastor , but an administrator. I received one of those GOTV calls and live in OH. So, it didn’t fail in every area. Another thing - people knew it was election day, and yet chose to stay home. Maybe since all the pundits said a landslide was coming, people decided to just stay home because Romney had it in the bag. The pundits and pollsters need to go away - far, far, away and keep their pie holes shut.

I’m also convinced that this election was stolen and no one will convince me otherwise. Remember obama saying to check and see how many dead people have the same name as yours? What was he implying? Fraud, of course. People who are dumber than a bag of rocks, but they understand cheating very well and the code words for it.

Its going to take me along time, if ever to ever again feel friendly toward my so-called friends who voted for zero and are now gloating. I want to punch them in their smug. little faces.


20 posted on 11/09/2012 4:59:58 PM PST by Catsrus (WANT)
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To: chopperjc
So your belief is the only reason this happened was fraud?

Yes.

The polls clearly showed republicans were losing.

So they say.

Ground game? The Dems are better at it right now. They registered more and got them to the polls.

So they say.

Reality and acceptance are the first step. Now how do we flip this.

Sticking to our conservative principals and being prepared to fight fraud and for our elections.

If you want to go with fraud we are doomed as a party.

Disagree. It's the only way we can insure the future of our party.

21 posted on 11/09/2012 5:01:46 PM PST by Jane Long ("Miss me yet?" - Mitt)
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To: Catsrus

Not “how” but, WHO?

That is the scariest question.

Look at all the analysis going on, it’ pure deflection.


22 posted on 11/09/2012 5:04:01 PM PST by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: The Wizard

We are already seeing reports of counties with 110% registered voters. Districts that went 100% Obama. This, for me, is just the low-hanging fruit if someone were interested in a criminal investigation.

The harder to prove would be electronic fraud that is held within a percent or so.


23 posted on 11/09/2012 5:13:24 PM PST by marron
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To: Jane Long

Well ok then. We have lost 5 of the last 6 popular votes in presidential elections. I will not argue with your assumptions. I will leave you with one thought though.
Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it.
I have accepted we got our ass kicked. I am ready to work to change it.


24 posted on 11/09/2012 5:14:47 PM PST by chopperjc
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To: wistful
The pre-election twitter death threats to Romney, media stories of possible riots if Obama lost, Bill Maher promoting racial violence if Romney won..

All meant to intimidate and stifle any questioning of the fraud.

25 posted on 11/09/2012 5:18:37 PM PST by opentalk
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To: chopperjc; marron

“This, for me, is just the low-hanging fruit if someone were interested in a criminal investigation.”

“I have accepted we got our ass kicked. I am ready to work to change it.”

Accepting the fact we will never have rule of law under this current administration is a good start.


26 posted on 11/09/2012 5:23:59 PM PST by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: The Wizard

Axelrod admitted yesterday his operation used addresses obtained from records of the 2010 Census (which the White House insisted on running back in 2009).

Questions for the board: Is this legal? Is this cheating?


27 posted on 11/09/2012 5:26:18 PM PST by research99
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To: MikeSteelBe
Accepting the fact we will never have rule of law under this current administration is a good start.

Bingo. I think most of us get that, but maybe not everyone. So it helps to state it clearly.

We are no longer under rule of law and will not be while these people remain in power.

28 posted on 11/09/2012 5:31:47 PM PST by marron
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To: KittenClaws

I remember during the 2006 election in VA in the NoVa area the cell service went down for an hour and half.


29 posted on 11/09/2012 5:32:33 PM PST by Perdogg (Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA4) for President 2016)
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OH great the next big thing FR gets all fired up on, worse than the waste of time by the birhters. Some here on FR really need to stop playing “Fox Mulder” and seeing conspiracies everywhere..


30 posted on 11/09/2012 5:37:57 PM PST by yield 2 the right
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To: yield 2 the right

^birthers


31 posted on 11/09/2012 5:39:36 PM PST by yield 2 the right
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To: Perdogg

I remember a lot of incidentals, anomalies.

But we are talked out of believing in our basic instincts. We hear “that is so far fetched, so unreasonable”. We hear this stuff until we believe it.

Yet, we talk of the tactics, the play books...all the while, refusing to SEE.


32 posted on 11/09/2012 5:40:10 PM PST by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: research99

Any chance US postal workers in select areas tossed out mail in ballots? Could a post office worker toss out bins of legal ballots and replace them with falsified mass produced ballots?


33 posted on 11/09/2012 5:42:54 PM PST by Golfinsocal
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

BS CNN.

A Mormon has huge preference over a Muslim or Muslim sympathizer.

(CNN? Hmmmmm)


34 posted on 11/09/2012 5:44:46 PM PST by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: research99

By law, Census records are sealed for 72 years. So if anyone had access to current Census records and used them to construct a residents list for political purposes, that would have been a criminal act.


35 posted on 11/09/2012 5:51:38 PM PST by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: The Wizard

Early voting. Weakened voter ID requirements. “Motor Voter” registrations or other in mass or government mandated voter registrations. Electronic Voting systems. Increase in provisional ballots not intended ever to be counted. Higher immigration and/or naturalization rates. Steadily escalating Progressive Socialist indoctrination at every level of Education through out the past century to this very day. Discrediting of the “House Un-American Activities Committee” as a witch hunt. The so called “defeat of Communism” with the fall of the Soviet Union and the Eastern Block alliance. There are more but I am tired of thinking about.


36 posted on 11/09/2012 5:56:47 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: The Wizard
Just my view, but...too many(including many here)practiced Dan Rather journalism..."fake but accurate"...when it came to dem sampling, polling data, turn-out, trends, enthusiasm, etc....maybe that gave more than a few overconfidence Romney had it, and they simply didn't feel the need to bother.

Others stuck with their principles/beliefs and simply could not vote for a Mormon/Massachusetts moderate.

It appears, more than anything, the dems were playing possum when it came to early voting, ground game, GOTV, etc...while at the same time being very effective with their usual demonisation tactics(Akin/Mourdock gave them plenty of fuel to add to that fire).

...on election night Romney(especially his wife) had a look of disbelief...whereas Obama looked like he had known that early voting(real and manufactured)already put him out of reach...well before Nov 6.

(Census 2010 data helped with mobilizing/securing demographics?)

Republicans better learn smash-mouth politics...or they'll eventually fall to a 35%-45% perpetual minority. In a modern society that values style over substance...the dems found their winners with Clinton/Obama, two slick, narcissistic used car salesman who were well read in the politics of Saul Alinsky. Doesn't hurt to have a media that turned their bullshite into apple butter for the masses either.

Still, in the end, all this talk about the hispanic/minority vote..yada yada...

Though the demographics are changing...it was still a 74% white electorate, and union's, GOTV efforts aside... without the white women's vote, Obama get's clocked.

37 posted on 11/09/2012 5:58:10 PM PST by RckyRaCoCo (I prefer liberty with danger to peace with slavery, IXNAY THE TSA!)
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To: The Wizard

I know, with 100% certainty, one person in my office who voted twice in Florida. And that’s not easy. In Florida you need a picture ID. I believe there is a large network of cheats who supply (or teach the cheats how to make) fake IDs of dead people or old people who haven’t voted in decades. If we can crack the network in Florida, we crack it in many other states.


38 posted on 11/09/2012 5:58:15 PM PST by EnquiringMind
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To: wistful

This post is written in anger and frustration.

Angry that we continue to follow the Republican Party’s elite ignorance. A party that continues to pull defeat from the jaws of victory characterized by pompous fools who fulfill the sterotype built by the left.

Frustrated that the reality of politics is this: There will be no third party capable of competing with the coalition constructed by the dems. As a result, true conservatives MUST take steps to irradicate the ignorance of the Republican Party while still adhering to the core values of our forefathers (beliefs that I discovered are considered extreme by over half of my countrymen last night, BTW).

I have no solve for exactly how to accomplish this. Only advice based on a long military career in several foreign lands for how to defeat the dems once this is accomplished.

This thought process is based on the concept of irregular warfare with twists thrown in here and there for good measure.

With that, I provide the following advice for the good of the order.

LEADERSHIP: The old crew has proven either incompotent or outdated. McConnell and Boerner must go. They represent a failed plan to defend and resist without clearly explaining their position. They are content with looking like the bad guys and face public scorn when they don’t realize how important it is to manipulate a clearly left leaning MSM. They represent the failure of the last four years to our own and obstructionists to the opposition. We’ve got to show a new face to the nation. That is the genesis of rebuilding this movement. Ryan or Cantor in the House, Rubio or Demint in the Senate.

They represent a change in a party that has been beaten soundly in the last two elections by a charlatan and his traveling circus. A fresh choice in leadership represents change you can TRULY beleive in from every angle.

GROUND GAME: It is IMPERATIVE to develop and foster an intricate ground game. It requires a MICRO-ANALYSIS of every county, every city, and every early and absentee ballot by demographic to find how how, why, and with what method they voted. The dems have built quite the coalition but it’s a house of cards; it’s a fractured coalition of single issue voters held together by a media-invested hollyweird worshipping demagogue.

Give it to the dems on their “community organizing” machine. We don’t need to reinvent that model. We MUST develop our own. One that will INSTILL our principles in a language tailored to the audience. They’ve tailored theirs on the community organizer, we can create ours around the military special operator. This the winning of hearts and minds in our own third world backyard dem strongholds.

It will require an insurgent effort at the ground level. An infiltration into dem areas that we identify are weak or vulnerable to start cutting in to the blue.

This isn’t as difficult as it sounds. It requires a patient and immediate effort that starts with the post election analysis.

The COIN (insurgeny/counterinsurgency)effort would include the identification of these areas, the inflitration of the areas through churches and charitable organizations AND PARTICULARLY THROUGH EDUCATION.

I’m not talking about traditional public schools and universities. I’m talking about the new way to educate - the online universities, the trade schools and nightschools. Corporate allies need to invest and educate with the ideals of economic and fiscal conservatism.

The RNC needs to lead and develop this effort. A novice like me can see that there is a disconnect between the voting habits of catholic-dominated hispanics and baptist blacks and their actual stated values. That disconnect can be exploited if it is done slowly, deliberately, and effectively.

INFORMATION WARFARE: We are ATROCIOUS AT THIS. Dems get a simple message out early and often. They poison the well and we are left to change minds rather than get the initial impression right from jump. We constantly play defense and think we are sooooo clever when dems (as they ALWAYS do) do something stupid or illegal and shocked when the media all but ignores it. We must take the offensive in getting up in every Candy Crowley, every George Stepenopolis’ face and call them what they are: democratic hacks posing as the “objective media”

We ABSOLUTELY MUST be proactive. We must attack at EVERY OPPORTUNITY then add each fail of the dems to a trend and theme. These themes must be simple, tailored, and repetitively broadcast to each target demographic.

We must look out beyond the 5 and 10 meter targets. We’ve got to effectively interpret what the dem message is on the horizon and confront it at all levels - from the national MSM level filtering directly down to the target group level. Even I can see what the talking points of the upcoming week are by watching the Sunday talking head programs. Defense is unacceptable. Attack, attack, attack.

This is only one part of an overall information operation plan that is constant in a simple party message and what it means to each target group.

WE DON’T DO THAT WELL. WHY NOT?

I find it unbelievable that Obama has hijacked the reputation and imagery of the Party of Lincoln. COIN operations involve a very in depth understanding of cultural idocyncracies and how best to exploit them to our advantage. It’s not a “wool-over-the-eyes” approach or a “free shit” approach like the dems sell. THAT ALWAYS COMES UP SHORT.

It’s a sell based on how it effects each target group and what it means to them. If it’s done right, I am CONFIDENT that the tenets of conservatism sell themselves.

In Civil Miltary Operations, assistance in areas that seem unrelated builds trust in the agency. Granted, there’s a fine line between assistance and the giving of free shit but, the special operations forces walk that line well. It can be done. Community outreach in areas that we identify, in ways that we haven’t before can build a larger tent without sacrificing our beliefs.

The military has been doing this in third world countries for years. We’ve been more successful in some areas, less successful in others. In the United States third world strongholds of the Democratic Party,I am confident that it can be done.

This is, by far, not the only avenue we’ve got to pursue in order to turn the tide.

But, if we are going to war, the RNC must look to the military to rediscover and reorganize. The number-crunching beancounters have their place in the organization but, on their best days, they can only identify who will and won’t vote Republican.

This is a “Hearts and Minds” effort.

It requires a new way to think about the political battlefield.

Rangers Lead the Way.


39 posted on 11/09/2012 6:04:24 PM PST by military cop (I carry a .45....cause they don't make a .46....)
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To: The Wizard

another interesting observation is that there have been a lot of dem noise and claims of Republican voter fraud particularly in Florida. They won overwhelmingly. There is no need for them to make these phoney claims ... unless it is preemptive cover for their fraud operations. They are accusing their opponents of what they themselves do - sound familiar?

There is another rationale for massive dem voter fraud ...besides this one election. They want to demoralize us. we see lots of dem reports that Republicans are just outnumbered, shrinking and just not a factor any more etc So they want to convince us that the country has gone dem and it’s hopeless etc and get many of us to just give up.

lots of smoke here but we need hard evidence.


40 posted on 11/09/2012 6:14:43 PM PST by plain talk
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To: wildandcrazyrussian

Should complaints be filed about misconduct of the Obama campaign with the Voting Rights division of the US Department of Justice?


41 posted on 11/09/2012 6:18:34 PM PST by research99
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To: wildandcrazyrussian

The department of Just-Us will get right on that. (Do I need a sarc tag?)


42 posted on 11/09/2012 6:29:27 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: plain talk
They are accusing their opponents of what they themselves do - sound familiar?

Yep, sure does...what's that line from Patton...

In ten days I'll have us a war with those sons-a-bitches and I'll make it look like their fault."

A very effective tactic that they used during the 2008 Wall Street mess, especially seeing as the vast majority of the criminal enterprise characters were/are mostly democratic party contributors.

43 posted on 11/09/2012 6:30:30 PM PST by RckyRaCoCo (I prefer liberty with danger to peace with slavery, IXNAY THE TSA!)
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To: The Wizard

“HOW Did They Do It”

Depression has kept me from posting for the last few days, but as far as how they did it, there is NO secret. In fact I posted right here in FreeRepublic back in September that this would happen, and exactly how.

· GALLUP: One Of Republicans’ Biggest Advantages Has Evaporated At The Worst Possible Time
Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:24:12 AM · 32 of 48

I cannot think of a name to MrDem

“What utter garbage! “

Ah, the one advantage of being old. I’ve lived through these movies before and know exactly how they turn out.
In ‘92, too many people fell under Perot’s spell and we were stuck with Clintoon. We also almost got a worse health care bill and the destruction of the 2nd amendment. I took almost the entire year of 1994 and worked my butt off to make sure we riled up every conservative to be found. And with hundreds of thousands just like me across the country, the 1994 Congressional elections tied Clintoons hands and pretty much saved the country. All that was left was to boot the “bent one” out of office and say “good riddance.”

What happened?

In 1996 Dole hung around until he got the nomination. Unfortunately he had a track record of being all over the place on many issues, and most conservatives had a high degree of distrust about his policies (almost everyone respected the man himself). All of the people that I had been able to call just two years before and get any help I needed, were now all “really busy.”

I’m sorry to burst anyone’s bubble, but the sad fact is this: If you want to fire up the base, you have to have a candidate that can fire up the base. It really doesn’t matter how much they hate the other guy, it won’t be enough. People have to be fired-up about their candidate, to be fired-up! And Mittens just doesn’t seem to have the spark to fire up anybody.

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44 posted on 11/09/2012 6:44:17 PM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: The Wizard

I wrote down at the time (about 8:30pm 11/6/12 Fox News) words from a Carl Cameron report. He was reporting that the Obama people told him, “We’ve been looking forward to this night FOR 5 YEARS.”

I found that more than passing odd. Like that night was the goal all along. It goes along with the FLEXIBILITY he would have after the election.

Another FReeper observed (sorry I didnt drop a bread crumb for me to find the comment and give proper credit) this appearance of fraud explains why he didnt prepare at all for that first debate; it truly didn’t matter - the conclusion was sewn up.


45 posted on 11/09/2012 6:53:20 PM PST by TEXOKIE (Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little. EdmondBurke)
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To: The Wizard

Obamanation Communism File.


46 posted on 11/09/2012 6:57:01 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: The Wizard

This guy seems to know how to manipulate the votes...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbf3iaEbAuY&feature=youtu.be


47 posted on 11/09/2012 6:58:10 PM PST by txgirl4Bush (2012 can't come soon enough!)
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To: The Wizard

Simple. We had GOTV. They had GOTF (Get Out The Fraud).


48 posted on 11/09/2012 7:11:53 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I did not like Mitt, his politics, his religion, his persona but I voted for him. O could not win. It is that simple. Certaily you cannot believe he is above fraud.


49 posted on 11/09/2012 7:20:00 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: PA Engineer
Let's not forget either that Obama had a fund-raising site that didn't ask for security codes to check for fraudulent contributions. Romney ran an honorable campaign, but he was running against a street fighter and he just didn't get it—none of them do. The aggressor sets the rules, and the GOP still doesn't understand what has happened. Allen West does. I'm sick of seeing Rove and Morris, and even Krauthamnmer. It's like the Jews before the Holocaust—the truth is beyond their belief. The election was stolen. We will never win another presidential election under the current rules. We will be Zimbamwe or Venezuela within 10 years unless we rise up.
50 posted on 11/09/2012 9:34:18 PM PST by binreadin
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