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Republican strategist Karl Rove's very bad night
Yahoo! News ^ | November 7, 2012 | Samuel P. Jacobs | Reuters

Posted on 11/08/2012 8:51:38 AM PST by murron

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - As television networks began declaring that President Barack Obama had won re-election, the most captivating televised drama Tuesday evening played out on Fox News, where Republican strategist Karl Rove refused to believe the race between Obama and Mitt Romney was over.

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"As it turned out, Obama held the White House and in nine of the 10 Senate races where Rove's groups spent the most money, the Democratic candidate won."

This is the same Karl Rove who mocked those who were backing the lady candidate for Senator in Delaware (I'm sorry, I can't remember her name for the life of me, the one who was accused of being a witch) saying that we didn't know all the ins and outs of running a campaign to paraphrase Karl Rove. How can anybody give him or Dick Morris any credibility any more? It will be interesting to see if Hannity and O'Reilly still have them on their shows.

1 posted on 11/08/2012 8:51:41 AM PST by murron
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To: murron

Rove is very much part of the problem. He may know how people inside the beltway think, but he does not understand how the rank-and-file of the GOP think.


2 posted on 11/08/2012 8:54:07 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Global Warming is a religion, and I don't want to be taxed to pay for a faith that is not mine.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I guess the silver lining here is that he’s entered semi-retirement as just another Fox News talking head pundit.


3 posted on 11/08/2012 8:55:54 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: murron

May turdblossom now face away.


4 posted on 11/08/2012 8:57:02 AM PST by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (We don't have an Obama problem. We have an America problem.)
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To: murron

May turdblossom now fade away.


5 posted on 11/08/2012 8:57:13 AM PST by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (We don't have an Obama problem. We have an America problem.)
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To: murron

Sorry, I am not a big Rove fan. But...I think his numbers were correct. I still do.


6 posted on 11/08/2012 8:57:26 AM PST by dforest
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To: murron

Christine O’Donnell (”I am not a witch”)


7 posted on 11/08/2012 8:58:07 AM PST by txrangerette ("hold to the truth...speak without fear". (Glenn Beck))
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To: murron

Since when do we all embrace an Al Reuters article?


8 posted on 11/08/2012 8:58:55 AM PST by dforest
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To: murron

No Rovian here, either.

Michael Barone was way wrong.

And his record is the best there is.


9 posted on 11/08/2012 9:00:33 AM PST by txrangerette ("hold to the truth...speak without fear". (Glenn Beck))
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To: murron

He’ll be back. He makes a ton of money on each election. Rove doesn’t have any bad election nights.


10 posted on 11/08/2012 9:00:52 AM PST by Tau Food (Praise God. Trust God.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Or, it’s really tough to accept America’s new FOB ‘fresh off the boat’ demographic and union hacks where cheating is a strategy.


11 posted on 11/08/2012 9:03:46 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: murron

Republican strategist Karl Rove has had one “bad night” after another. Arnold Schwarzenneger. Lincoln Chaffee. Arlen Specter. Juan McCain. Mitt Romney. And let’s not forget the mid-term election of 2006, when he engineered the transition from an overwhelming victory in 2004 to an overwhelming defeat that lost congress and continued into 2008, by constantly counseling W to betray his base—until the base gave up on him and stayed home. Where they apparently remained once again.

He did a pretty good job earlier—maybe assisted by clinton’s corrupt tricks and algore’s stupidity—but he has been wrong about virtually everything he he has touched for at least six years. Yet the corrupt jerks who run the GOP just won’t learn from their mistakes.


12 posted on 11/08/2012 9:04:24 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: murron

Remind me why anyone listens to this idiot?


13 posted on 11/08/2012 9:05:23 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: murron

In the future, anyone who hires Rove is one candidate I will not support. I am sick of this guy!


14 posted on 11/08/2012 9:07:14 AM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: dforest

“Sorry, I am not a big Rove fan. But...I think his numbers were correct. I still do.”

I am a fan of his. I know most on here are not. He is part of the GOP-E. I know FOX worshipped him like he was the oracle on the Delphi. I also think his numbers were right. I think there was an ellaborate voter fraud scheme that cannot be anticipated by anyone that actually wanted to keep this an honest election.


15 posted on 11/08/2012 9:07:37 AM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: RIghtwardHo

Rove had a very bad night and lost a ton of money on this $130MM raised/spent - I heard he had a 1% Return On His Investment (ROI) - still without him then that’s a big money source for GOP so don’t go railing on Karl too much.


16 posted on 11/08/2012 9:08:03 AM PST by GerardKempf (Let's Get Over This)
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To: murron

I don’t care where this news story was pulled from. All I know is I’m sick to death of experts and pollsters. I would never answer a pollster, on anything. My views are none of their damn business.

I’ll express what I want, when I want, and to whom I want. I can’t even watch Fox anymore, with Rove and Morris on all the time. I also can’t stand O’Reilly, Hannity, and Shep.

For now, I watch the Blaze. They need more programming but other than that they’re ok. The internet has more than enough information for me so in the long term, I need no TV or experts to tell me anything.


17 posted on 11/08/2012 9:09:48 AM PST by Sporke (USS Iowa BB-61)
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To: murron

Rove is now 2-3.


18 posted on 11/08/2012 9:13:40 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: castlegreyskull
I agree. Not a big Rove fan either but the man was in shock. He very much knows that something was dreadfully wrong with this election. There is simply no way that the Romney internals could have been that far off.

They Republican insiders likely know this election was all out stolen.

We don't have free elections anymore and even if we do we have people that are not Americans choosing our leaders and running our lives. That is simply not acceptable. It's time to consider splitting up the country with Americans taking the middle of the country. The socialists can have the west and east coast.

19 posted on 11/08/2012 9:16:51 AM PST by precisionshootist
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To: dforest

I agree. Rove was using 2008 turnout numbers. 2008 turnout numbers would have given it Romney.


20 posted on 11/08/2012 9:26:36 AM PST by Homer1
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To: Sporke

I’m with you. Why do we need pollsters and experts at election time anyway? Answer: we don’t. The problem is that 24 hour news organizations need to fill the time with something so they paraded Rove and Morris and others before us in hopes to impress us with all their brilliantness. Like you, I am done with Fox news. All the news I need can be found in my local news hour. When/if I feel I need to be informed about something I will do my homework, till then I am done with politics.


21 posted on 11/08/2012 9:34:41 AM PST by texaschick
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To: RIghtwardHo

“Remind me why anyone listens to this ididot??”

Exactly right. Let’s remember: HIS former boss was STILL being blamed for this economic disaster we’re facing today. I’m so sick of this clown being labeled The Architect - as if he was some kind of genius. For such a genius, evidently Karl didn’t understand the basic Stalinist principle that “A lie told often enough becomes the truth”.


22 posted on 11/08/2012 10:07:54 AM PST by antonico
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To: murron

Rove is way overrated. A second rate hack. He barely won the 2000 election and if it wasn’t for the swift boaters, would have lost the reelection in 2004 also. He also presided over the catastrophic loss in Congress in 2006 and the debacle we are still dealing with named Barry.


23 posted on 11/08/2012 10:36:58 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: dforest

I agree with Rove. There was something fishy about the numbers. He just said Fox was calling the states prematurely with too many Republican votes still out. I have seen people here saying the same thing. I don’t see what was so wrong with what he said. The media is just making a big issue out of it as usual. I wish people wouldn’t fall for it.


24 posted on 11/08/2012 10:54:30 AM PST by beckysueb
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To: txrangerette

That should tell us something.


25 posted on 11/08/2012 10:55:49 AM PST by beckysueb
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To: precisionshootist

He was shocked because he and other insiders thought they could shove a Massuchusetts Liberal on their voters and they’d still turn out. Their models were based on assumptions everyone that voted McCain and maybe slightly more turn out for Romney. He thought Romney would win because he thought those same voters were still going to suck it up and turn out indefinitely. The insiders got a nasty surprise. McCain was bad, Romney was worse. If the totals are indeed below 2008 they have no one but themselves to blame. Them and the primary voters who were convinced that man was “electable”.


26 posted on 11/08/2012 11:08:41 AM PST by Soul Seeker (I will work every day to make Washington, D.C. as inconsequential in your lives as I can - Perry)
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To: txrangerette

I don’t think the criticism is about his prediction, it’s about his practice. He raised tons of money, and barely any of his candidates won. Etc. Rove hates conservatives and thinks all non-atheists are total morons.


27 posted on 11/08/2012 12:02:22 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: txrangerette
Michael Barone was way wrong.

And his record is the best there is.

Steve Forbes claims to have broken a 56-year streak in correctly calling presidential elections when he predicted it would be 321 to 217 in Romney's favor.

28 posted on 11/08/2012 12:20:29 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: Cicero

I think this was the worst. He came out and said it was going to be a landslide for Romney, and it was anything but, and a loss no less.


29 posted on 11/08/2012 12:48:53 PM PST by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: murron

ELECTION ANALYSIS

Was the election
A. Rigged
B. Fair

If A, then no further analysis is required. Changing demographics and people staying home doesn’t matter if the ballot boxes are being stuffed. Either stop the cheating or be the ones counting the votes.

If B, then the Republicans have to get smarter.


30 posted on 11/08/2012 1:56:19 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: dforest

I agree. He knows his numbers and so does Barone. I also think PA was screwed by Philly.


31 posted on 11/08/2012 2:01:24 PM PST by linn37 (Newt supporter here.)
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To: Sporke
I don’t care where this news story was pulled from. All I know is I’m sick to death of experts and pollsters. I would never answer a pollster, on anything. My views are none of their damn business.

I agree completely.

The following responses to the Media, pollsters, etc., should become the norm for any American who cares about their country:

Question: "Who are you planning on voting for in this election?"

Answer: MYOB!

Question: "Would you be willing to respond to some poll questions?"

Answer: MYOB!

Question: "We're doing an Exit Poll, who did you just vote for?"

Answer: MYOB!

32 posted on 11/08/2012 3:17:33 PM PST by Col Freeper (FR: A smorgasbord of Conservative Mindfood - dig in and enjoy it!)
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To: Soul Seeker
So what you are saying is that 57 million plus Republican's voted for Romney but just 3 million decided Romney was too liberal and found it better to not vote and let a known radical Marxist stay in office.

I would like to remind those that stayed home because Romney wasn't good enough that the man they helped reelect sat back and did nothing while our American soldiers and our ambassador were murdered.

Do you think the liberal Mitt Romney would have gave the order to stand down then turn around a leave for a campaign trip leaving Americans to be murdered? Then go on a two week tour of the US lying to the faces of the American people?

Do you think liberal Romney hates the 2nd amendment enough to provide thousands of guns to drug dealing murderers for the sole purpose of undermining the United Statses Constitution? At least 2 American's and hundreds of innocent Mexican citizens payed with their lives for this act of treason.

I hope those that stayed home are comfortable with this evil man at the helm of what's left of our nuclear arsenal cause he has a lot of "flexibility" now.

33 posted on 11/08/2012 11:53:46 PM PST by precisionshootist
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