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Going Galt Without Secession

Posted on 11/07/2012 9:28:21 PM PST by FortWorthPatriot

I just posted this on Facebook a couple of minutes ago. There is some talk of secession amongst some of my fellow Texans there. I wanted to put my post here as well to get opinions on it. Thank you for your patience.

It can be done. And we can “Go Galt” at the same time. The key to this is cutting off the east and west coast geographically while at the same time cutting off lines of trade and natural resources to the two coasts.

As Lois stated, we need to split the country in half, literally. In order to do this we would need an alliance of at least the following six states: Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, and North Dakota. These six states would create a geographical barrier between the east and west coasts of the United States from Canada to Mexico.

It is also convenient that these states have traditionally voted Republican for years and most importantly have also been derided over the years as being “flyover” country by those on the coasts even though the coasts depend upon these states for food, oil, gas, and other resources.

Although these resources may be available on the coasts, given the governments of those states they would have difficulty getting them from the field to the cities. Fuel would become scarce as they would not have the refineries needed to make gas. I also don’t believe they have enough acreage for farming to sustain their needs.

It would be fitting if we could get seven (7) more states (Louisiana, Arkansas, Missouri, Mississippi, Montana, Wyoming and Idaho) allied in the beginning as they are also part of “flyover” land and traditionally vote republican. This would give us 13 states in which the “restoration” of the United States would begin. Thirteen states. Fitting.

On that note, let me make this abundantly clear – I am NOT advocating a revolution against or secession from the United States. The goal is to cut off and isolate the coasts for a long enough period of time so that eventually they begin to understand that they need us to survive so that they have no choice but to concede and restore the Union. This would be our “Going Galt.”

So we get these 6 to 13 states allied, what do we do then? First, we seal the southern U.S. border, more than 50% of which is along the Texas-Mexico border. The Allied States would not need federal funds or permission to seal the border so it would be done quickly and correctly. The flow of illegal immigrants would then be channeled through New Mexico, Arizona and California.

At this point in time, we may have the states of Utah and Arizona in the Alliance, so we could seal the Arizona-Mexico border as well, constricting the flow of illegal immigrants even tighter through the narrow gaps along the borders of California and New Mexico. Then we begin purging all illegal immigrants out of the Allied States. I don’t think that will be too difficult as many will leave voluntarily as they did when Arizona began enforcing federal immigration laws last year.

Secondly, since we hold the majority of natural resources, we begin upgrading and building new refineries throughout the Allied States. If we have Mississippi, Louisiana and Texas as part of the Alliance, we control the bulk of offshore drilling platforms in the Gulf. We ignore any federal agencies such as the EPA and begin drilling. Drill in the Gulf, drill inland. Drill, baby, drill.

Third, we set up a trade agreement between the Allied States and Canada and get that pipeline built. This would get Alaska into the Alliance if she hasn’t already jumped on board by now. The only reason I haven’t so far included Alaska in this scenario is because she would be isolated from us and vulnerable, hence the need to get Canada on board with us. And I believe that Canada would help us as they understand they need the United States to protect them. They would also rather deal with common sense than with Washington. No need to trade with Mexico – what do they have that we can’t produce here?

What about the military? What if Washington decides to move troops against the Allied States? First, I think that if such an order were to be given a majority of military leaders would refuse to obey. As I said before, this action is not a revolution or secession – I am not advocating an armed resistance against Washington. This is a passive act of ignoring the coasts in order to force them to realize that they need us to survive and that they will have to play ball our way in order to do so.

But what if some troops do move against us? Well, I believe that in the beginning of all this, we seize all military bases and assets within the Allied States. We explain to the military personnel at those bases exactly what our goal is – the restoration of the United States of America – and I believe they will join us. If not they are free to leave. Command and control of these units would need to be restructured under the temporary leadership of the Allied States.

Naval forces at sea willing to join us would have the Texas, Louisiana and Mississippi coasts in which to harbor. If necessary, we can ask for military support (boots on the ground) from long time allies such Canada, England, and Australia, which would have a vested interest in the quick and peaceful restoration of the United States of America. Washington may threaten them with sanctions but they would have the Allied leadership with which to negotiate alternatively.

And we can build our own military as well. In addition to any U.S. military personnel within the Allied borders who join us during implementation of the “Galt Maneuver”, this military would consist of all National Guard units that are not currently deployed, any and all State Guard units throughout the Allied States, and volunteers consisting primarily of former or retired military. I would probably be one of them.

What about those conservatives living in states isolated by the Allied States? Help relocate them to the Allied States if they wish to do so. There is plenty of room for them here and they have the same goals as we do. If they prefer to stay where they are until it is all over, encourage and support them as they work to convince their state leadership to concede. The goal is to leave the liberals to take care of themselves and see how long that lasts.

Then we trade only with those states within the Alliance and with Canada, and with any other country in the world who wishes to trade with us. As time goes by, states along the Allied border would start negotiating with us for resources. One by one, we bring them back into the fold. Working state by state on contiguous borders until the entire Union is restored.

Is this far-fetched? Maybe. But I strongly believe we need to do something NOW in order to preserve the United States of America. If anyone else has any better ideas, I’m more than willing to listen.

NOTE: If I suddenly disappear from the face of the earth within the next couple of days, well then they have read this post and I am either in prison somewhere or dead. If so, ride out to meet them. Take the fight to them.

God bless us all.


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1 posted on 11/07/2012 9:28:24 PM PST by FortWorthPatriot
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To: FortWorthPatriot

LMAO.

Try it again when dancing with the stars season has concluded.

The “Americans” and America of 2012 is not in any way related to the one of 200 years ago.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 9:30:58 PM PST by NoLibZone ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic")
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To: FortWorthPatriot

Bttt


3 posted on 11/07/2012 9:33:54 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (The Obamas = rude, crude and socially unacceptable)
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To: FortWorthPatriot

I wish we could make a conservative barter market and stop using any form of currency.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 9:37:55 PM PST by dila813
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To: FortWorthPatriot

I suggest creating more private religious schools to replace public schools. You have to change the culture.


6 posted on 11/07/2012 9:40:44 PM PST by ari-freedom (Election Day should be after Thanksgiving, not right after Halloween)
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To: dila813

alright. I’ll bite.

Why can’t we?


7 posted on 11/07/2012 9:41:51 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: ari-freedom
"I suggest creating more private religious schools to replace public schools. You have to change the culture."

I agree and that can be done as well during this timeframe. Why not?
8 posted on 11/07/2012 9:44:03 PM PST by FortWorthPatriot (Obama is no Hitler; Hitler got the Olympics)
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To: cableguymn

I don’t know, I have tried in the past.

But I would be willing to trade my skills and labor for farm eggs ... hunting permission etc..

It would be great if we could have one on the Internet.


9 posted on 11/07/2012 9:44:07 PM PST by dila813
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To: dila813

What about state issued tax free bonds as a medium of exchange?


10 posted on 11/07/2012 9:44:19 PM PST by Errant
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To: FortWorthPatriot
Interesting, I like it. Freeze them out. Toll roads for non allied state trucks coming in or crossing the allied states?

Who could do this, who has the power and the money to begin? Better yet, who has the .....'s, well you know.

11 posted on 11/07/2012 9:46:51 PM PST by annieokie
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To: FortWorthPatriot
Some good thoughts. Not what going Galt is about and you're on thin ice with a number of federal laws.

Keep thinking about it...

12 posted on 11/07/2012 9:47:02 PM PST by Errant
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To: FortWorthPatriot

You have to get all states along the mississippi river, otherwise trade can still move up and down it. There is an enormous amount of trade that goes up and down this river.


13 posted on 11/07/2012 9:50:28 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: FortWorthPatriot
You are assuming just because a state may have gone for the GOP they are conservative/share your view. This assumption may not be the case for example Montana reelected and North Dakota elected Dims as their Senators. Utah reelected Dim Matheson to the House for the 7th time..

I cant see how the numbers are there in the states you are talking about to make this viable..

14 posted on 11/07/2012 9:51:14 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: dila813

You can, it’s called craigslist. They have trading there, or even if they aren’t posted there you can always make a trade offer. Worstcase they say no thanks.


15 posted on 11/07/2012 9:51:47 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: dila813

I am a member of a few around here. one is on facebook. seems to be the busiest one. it’s open to most anyone though.

I wonder if Beck is thinking of something like it with his planned changes to the blaze


16 posted on 11/07/2012 9:51:50 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: annieokie
"Who could do this, who has the power and the money to begin?"

The Governors of these states would have to agree to do this. Then they would need to get the support of the military leadership within their states. It would have to been absolutely crystal clear what the goal is: The temporary isolation of the eastern and western coasts in order to bring about compliance with the U.S. Constitution. This is not a secession or creation of a new country, it's a restoration of the United States of America.
17 posted on 11/07/2012 9:53:43 PM PST by FortWorthPatriot (Obama is no Hitler; Hitler got the Olympics)
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To: FortWorthPatriot

Private religious schools will soon be outlawed. As will homeschooling. Only the federal teachers unions will be allowed to educate our children.

Once the Supreme Court flips, and it will, then evangelical Christianity will be branded as hate speech and it will be banned as well.

We really have lost everything.

We can go quietly, or we can resist, but it will soon all be taken from us.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 9:55:20 PM PST by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: FortWorthPatriot

I think this whole scenario will come about sooner or
later when we get the hyper-inflation driven economic
collapse that is almost assuredly coming. The Europeans just
might deliver it to you in a silver platter.

At that point it will be a snap to put together a COS or
what I would call a “Coalition of States”.
Basically, the same as what you put together and (or) any
red state that wants to join us.

So be patient... our day is coming.


19 posted on 11/07/2012 9:55:53 PM PST by NeverForgetBataan (I am become Barry... destroyer of wealth)
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To: Secret Agent Man

You have to do it without currency ideally, Obama wants to create a VAT tax, we need to do it without a trace.


20 posted on 11/07/2012 9:57:08 PM PST by dila813
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To: FortWorthPatriot
I am not advocating an armed resistance against Washington. This is a passive act of ignoring the coasts in order to force them to realize that they need us to survive and that they will have to play ball our way in order to do so. ... ... I believe that in the beginning of all this, we seize all military bases and assets within the Allied States. I have this funny feeling that seizing military bases and assets is not a "passive act" and likely not even possible without "armed resistance". That, and all your other ideas which shred the Constitution do indeed amount to Secession, so at least call it what it is and stand by it. Dressing it up in a party dress for the feel-good crowd is dishonest.
21 posted on 11/07/2012 9:58:03 PM PST by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: FortWorthPatriot

bttt


22 posted on 11/07/2012 9:58:44 PM PST by TEXOKIE (Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little. EdmondBurke)
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To: Errant
"Keep thinking about it..."

Actually it was intended to be a vehicle for thought. We have to do something. I don't suggest that this idea is perfect. Just wanted to put it out there to get some kind of dialog going.

If discussing this idea brings about an actual workable plan (even if it is not what I have orignally brought to table) that frees us from liberal policies then I am happy.
23 posted on 11/07/2012 9:59:22 PM PST by FortWorthPatriot (Obama is no Hitler; Hitler got the Olympics)
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To: FortWorthPatriot

You’re from my hometown, I realize losing the election is a bummer. However, you are not just skirting federal laws, you have broken a few “seizing military bases”? Have you lost your mind? Such an action would be treason.

You might want to avoid posting online for the forseeable future . . .


24 posted on 11/07/2012 9:59:53 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: FortWorthPatriot

Hell us downstaters have wanted to secede from Illinois for a long time. Better said, we’d like the State of Chicago to secede, and leave the rest of us bitter clingers and flyover folks the hell alone. They could put the tollbooths back up on the highways going in, just turn them into border checkpoints. Their eastern front is already secured by Lake Michigan and to the north, there is the Cheddar Curtain. It’s a perfect solution! We keep our money, and they can eat fish from the lake or maybe those that float down the polluted Calumet River. We’ll keep our corn and stuff, I’m sure they can grow plenty of hydroponic seaweed and tofu and crap in those fancy rooftop gardens.

They’ve always told us that Chicago is the economic heart of Illinois. Well, put up the barricades and we’ll find out where the stomach is in a couple of weeks...


25 posted on 11/07/2012 10:00:11 PM PST by bigbob
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To: FortWorthPatriot

Maybe someday. But its way too early for that. Just the economic ramifications of sucession are daunting to say the least. Read about it. Texas would be a separate country like Canada or Mexico. And what about your family or even your spouse who are dems. Do you just walk away from them?

We need to realize that we are stressed, angry and sad and running on adrenaline. Let’s settle down a little bit so we can make practical decisions.

As a native Texan, I will say this. Texas will be the last bastion of freedom on earth come the revolution. I am so proud to be a Texan!


26 posted on 11/07/2012 10:05:55 PM PST by Hound of the Baskervilles ("Nonsense in the intellect draws evil after it." C.S. Lewis)
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To: ari-freedom

I think you’re on to something. Unless America can break free of the union-controlled socialist-indoctrination schools for children, things will only get worse.


27 posted on 11/07/2012 10:06:57 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Secret Agent Man

“You have to get all states along the mississippi river, otherwise trade can still move up and down it. There is an enormous amount of trade that goes up and down this river”
______________________________________________________________________________

That shouldn’t be a problem. Except for MN,IA,IL,WI all other
states on the Mississippi are Red. LA is big time Red. So if
you want to shut down the Mississippi a trade route to the
sea, it can be done.


28 posted on 11/07/2012 10:07:33 PM PST by NeverForgetBataan (I am become Barry... destroyer of wealth)
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To: FortWorthPatriot

I think it would be easier to just get a super majority of states to just simply abolish the federal government.

This would not remove the constitution, considering the constitution provides for this scenario.

DC is the problem... not the states.
Lets just abolish it and reform it from scratch...
somewhere central and protected from the libtards on the coasts.


29 posted on 11/07/2012 10:08:33 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: FortWorthPatriot

Another way to turn the screws to the east coast is to turn off the taps on the pipelines that deliver petroleum products
from the refineries on the Houston Ship Channel and Texas
City.

There are MANY pipelines that lead from Texas east to NJ and NY.

Remember the old days.... Drive 80 and freeze a yankee?


30 posted on 11/07/2012 10:14:25 PM PST by NeverForgetBataan (I am become Barry... destroyer of wealth)
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To: FortWorthPatriot
need to get the support of the military leadership within their states""""......

But, the military is under Federal Government control,isn't it. So are you talking about the National Guard, and some patriotic militia,& home guards?

I love the whole idea.

31 posted on 11/07/2012 10:17:55 PM PST by annieokie
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To: ari-freedom
it seems that the Amish/Mennonite etc and Hasidic Jews can keep to themselves and maintain their religious and cultural identity without sacrificing their beliefs.....

maybe just keeping to ourselves would be the answer....

and I agree about the schools....if only we could give the kids a chance...

32 posted on 11/07/2012 10:19:15 PM PST by cherry
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To: txnativegop
"Have you lost your mind? Such an action would be treason."

Greater acts of treason are being committed by Democrats on a daily basis.

"You might want to avoid posting online for the forseeable future . . ."

Maybe I should.
33 posted on 11/07/2012 10:21:07 PM PST by FortWorthPatriot (Obama is no Hitler; Hitler got the Olympics)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Yes, but couldn’t PORT FEE’s/TOLL fees take care of that problem.


34 posted on 11/07/2012 10:21:25 PM PST by annieokie
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To: FortWorthPatriot

Dumb thoughts, very dumb move... no support whatsoever.


35 posted on 11/07/2012 10:24:36 PM PST by Ron C.
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To: Safrguns
"I think it would be easier to just get a super majority of states to just simply abolish the federal government.

This would not remove the constitution, considering the constitution provides for this scenario.:


I am good with that. I just want to do SOMETHING before the country all goes to hell in a handbasket.

"DC is the problem... not the states."

I am in full agreement with you on that.

"Lets just abolish it and reform it from scratch... somewhere central and protected from the libtards on the coasts."

Which is kind of the idea I had. Cut off the other states that depend upon those in "flyover" country until they understand that they need us to survive. Slowly build the Union back state by state.
36 posted on 11/07/2012 10:26:37 PM PST by FortWorthPatriot (Obama is no Hitler; Hitler got the Olympics)
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles
And what about your family or even your spouse who are dems. Do you just walk away from them?"""".....

Think Rev. and Civil Wars on that one. Sometimes drastic steps calls for such things to happen. No one likes it, but they have forced our hands and they don't mind if we suffer. In fact they take delightful GLEE in what they have done to us.

Sometimes we just have to put our kids in TIME OUT.

37 posted on 11/07/2012 10:27:07 PM PST by annieokie
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To: Ron C.
"Dumb thoughts, very dumb move... no support whatsoever."

Let's hear your brilliant ideas then.
38 posted on 11/07/2012 10:28:07 PM PST by FortWorthPatriot (Obama is no Hitler; Hitler got the Olympics)
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To: dila813

All private sales would not have any taxes on them.


39 posted on 11/07/2012 10:31:38 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: NeverForgetBataan

Not only to th sea, 40% of all goods sold in the country move up and down that river. It’s a huge percentage of us interstate commerce.


40 posted on 11/07/2012 10:33:47 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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Comment #5 Removed by Moderator

Sorry for the potty mouth...
41 posted on 11/07/2012 10:33:53 PM PST by FortWorthPatriot (Obama is no Hitler; Hitler got the Olympics)
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To: FortWorthPatriot

Thanks. Though it’s not something anyone likes to read here, your sentiment is understandable.


42 posted on 11/07/2012 10:36:58 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator
"...your sentiment is understandable."

I appreciate that. However, I do need to control myself better in the future and not act so impulsively to dismissive comments from people who have nothing constructive to add themselves.
43 posted on 11/07/2012 10:43:33 PM PST by FortWorthPatriot (Obama is no Hitler; Hitler got the Olympics)
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Secession will instigate a Civil War. But that’s OK as long as you are prepared.

The previous Civil War was won because manufacturing was held in the North(high tech weaponry) and agriculture was held in the south(food/cotton/etc). The Union had the technology, but the Confederacy had the strategy.

With a secession today, the weakness is held equally in the high tech accessibility. Large cities are the weak point, and with no food, will collapse within a month.

The technology is negated in this case, and where it isn’t equal, population can mitigate it. Having access to farm land is more important this time, because both sides are carrying the same hardware. The ability to grow food long term will trump weapons. An army moves on it’s stomach.

It would end up being a war between city and country, not simply States. At some point(immediately after they attack preferably) the middle of the US would have to go on the offensive and attack one side, and defend the other. Then switch it.

Having troops crawling in from all sides is untenable long term. You will be picked apart. You have to remove the threat, unless they decide to stand down- which they can’t, because they need your resources and your property.

So it’s a good plan, but understand where it will put you 3 steps in. War on all sides. Before you contemplate that maneuver you must be ready for a mass offensive beforehand.

This is a question you would need to propose to a military man like Gen. McChrystal or General Ham. This would need to be planned with 3 options open for every move taken. You can’t wing that. You need a military historian and/or an experienced military man to put that together to minimize loss.

There is also another scenario, where other Nations like China or Russia, seeing what’s happening, will vaporize the coastal cities to end the war and neutralize the threat the Occupied US Government poses to their Countries. But that would come later. This is possible, but understand the goal and how to attain it.


44 posted on 11/07/2012 10:46:17 PM PST by JFoobar
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To: Safrguns; FortWorthPatriot
Jurisdiction of interstate commerce belongs to the federal government per the constitution.

However, the constitution provides a mechanism whereby states may call a constitutional convention for the purpose of adding, modifying, or removing amendments.

One option would be for the states to call such a convention for the sole purpose of removing the 16th amendment which provides for the collection of individual income taxes. This amendment allows for the full measure of the federal government to be brought against individual income earners and removed the states as intermediaries.

Remove this amendment and the federal beast risks starvation by biting the hand of the states who feed it...

Do it NOW, while we still have a super majority of "red" states (if still true).

45 posted on 11/07/2012 10:56:18 PM PST by Errant
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To: FortWorthPatriot
"The temporary isolation of the eastern and western coasts in order to bring about compliance with the U.S. Constitution"

How are you going to deal with Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3?

Congress shall have power: to regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes

46 posted on 11/07/2012 10:56:18 PM PST by Upstate NY Guy
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To: FortWorthPatriot

Okay, understood.

By the way I also wanted to clarify that I was addressing the general overall sentiment some might be feeling, and nothing specific with regards to the discussion.


47 posted on 11/07/2012 10:58:53 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: txnativegop; FortWorthPatriot

“Have you lost your mind? Such an action would be treason.”

So what would you recommend? Just bend over? It’s no more treason than what goes on in D.C. every day... All the states have to do is ask the military to leave and they would. The states would seize property through state court action. It would be contested by the feds but would take years to settle. I don’t see a problem here.

“And what about your family or even your spouse who are dems. Do you just walk away from them?”

A civil war like before would not be possible today. First, the states that wanted to succeed did not start it. The union did by sending troops. Families were not dispersed the way they are today, and they didn’t have the communications that we have today. Opposing succession by force would be off the table.

Your family and spouse that may be dems would be just fine. That one thing would help make it work.


48 posted on 11/07/2012 11:01:16 PM PST by babygene
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To: FortWorthPatriot

Can you add Louisiana to your list. We had 70% voter turn out and we voted 60% - 40% for Romney


49 posted on 11/07/2012 11:06:57 PM PST by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: Errant
"One option would be for the states to call such a convention for the sole purpose of removing the 16th amendment which provides for the collection of individual income taxes. This amendment allows for the full measure of the federal government to be brought against individual income earners and removed the states as intermediaries.

Remove this amendment and the federal beast risks starvation by biting the hand of the states who feed it..."


That sounds feasible. Maybe that's the correct approach - my original thought was to "starve" the blue states but perhaps starving D.C. would be better.
50 posted on 11/07/2012 11:09:23 PM PST by FortWorthPatriot (Obama is no Hitler; Hitler got the Olympics)
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