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Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity Get Warp Speed Extension
Dailytech ^ | October 12, 2012 2:07 PM | Jason Mick (Blog)

Posted on 10/13/2012 11:15:49 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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1 posted on 10/13/2012 11:16:01 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I'm not against people trying, that's how science advances. But these announcements all follow the same two-step sequence.

Step 1: Researchers announce that they have surpassed the speed of light!

Step 2 (some months later): Researchers find a flaw in their experiment. Speed of light not surpassed after all.

2 posted on 10/13/2012 11:23:25 AM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: SunkenCiv; TN4Liberty; jeffc; jpl; mylife; Fred Nerks; Marine_Uncle; Psycho_Bunny; ...
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2nd test affirms faster-than-light particles

3 posted on 10/13/2012 11:30:13 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Leaning Right
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The paper proposes two sets of equations -- one based on an invariant set of "frame transitions", the other based on a "frame transition" with the invariance limitation removed. The authors suspect that if faster than light travel is possible, that the physical behavior of the faster-than-light travelling object is described by one of these equations.

4 posted on 10/13/2012 11:36:32 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
2nd test affirms faster-than-light particles

Waiting for the "Oh crap, another bad cable connection found" article to come out.........Just saying.

5 posted on 10/13/2012 11:37:06 AM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

But can they make the Kessell run in under twelve parsecs?


6 posted on 10/13/2012 11:38:48 AM PDT by Donkey Odious
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To: Donkey Odious

mark...


7 posted on 10/13/2012 11:44:32 AM PDT by 103198
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The paper proposes two sets of equations...

I hear you. But any equation is highly suspect if it does not have repeatable experimental evidence to back it up.

I'll follow this story with interest, but also with great skepticism. My money is still on Big Al (Einstein, that is).

8 posted on 10/13/2012 11:45:22 AM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
From a math major ... Two beams traveling in opposite directions at the speed of light are relatively traveling at twice the speed of light.

QED.

9 posted on 10/13/2012 11:49:14 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: onedoug

fyi


10 posted on 10/13/2012 11:53:07 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: OldNavyVet
Relative to WHAT?

I thought the Michelson-Morley experiment put paid to that.

/johnny

11 posted on 10/13/2012 11:55:16 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: OldNavyVet
Disclaimer: I am a cook, not a physicist or math guy.

/johnny

12 posted on 10/13/2012 11:57:12 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

"Hunh, I never stopped t' think that it was SPACE that was movin'!"

13 posted on 10/13/2012 12:06:35 PM PDT by mikrofon (Scotty, 2009)
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To: OldNavyVet

What happens when a spaceship traveling the speed of light turns on its headlights? :-)


14 posted on 10/13/2012 12:15:40 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I’d like to comment, but I’m just not up to speed on this.


15 posted on 10/13/2012 12:16:07 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Relative to each other.

Any measurement value re: the speed of something, is relative to the speed of the measurement frame.


16 posted on 10/13/2012 12:29:15 PM PDT by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

To the best of my knowledge, if you are traveling at a velocity (a vector quantity with magnitude and direction) less than the speed of light you cannot exceed the speed of light because your mass will become infinite, i.e., blow up. However, the equation is also quite specific. If your velocity is greater than the speed of light, an object can exist. The question is how to get it going at those velocities.IMHO


17 posted on 10/13/2012 12:47:32 PM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I put my brain is in the freezer today. Hard to even contemplate on this news. Meanwhile I just got a call from my one brother that is returning from a European vacation and is going to stop by shortly. So guess I’m logging out for the duration.


18 posted on 10/13/2012 12:49:48 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Utmost Certainty
So, what, perzactly is the measurement frame we're talking about?

Michalson and Morley proved that there were no interference patterns for beams going with each other, against each other or at 90 degrees to each other.

Earth orbit was chosen for the experiment because it was pretty darn handy, and everything else wasn't.

Once again, I'm just a cook, exploring the mysteries of physics.

/johnny

19 posted on 10/13/2012 12:49:48 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: OldNavyVet
-- Two beams traveling in opposite directions at the speed of light are relatively traveling at twice the speed of light. --

That's Newton's theory of relativity. It is a good approximation for relative speeds under about 100,000 kilometers per second.

20 posted on 10/13/2012 1:02:25 PM PDT by Cboldt
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