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Not surprising to me. When I was a graduate student, I proved the temporal order of events was relative; i.e., whether event A precedes event B or B precedes A in time depends on the frame of reference of the observer. It was not a difficult proof. It's bothered me ever since because I concluded there is no such thing as cause. These authors say A can cause B AND B cause A. Either way, THE UNIVERSE IS INSANE! Or at least not based on logic and reason, which should bother us.
1 posted on 10/03/2012 4:33:28 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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Unintented consequences are a fact of life.


2 posted on 10/03/2012 4:38:20 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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Firesign Theatre postulated in 1970:

“How can you be in 2 places at once when not anywhere at all?”

3 posted on 10/03/2012 4:38:44 PM PDT by AU72
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How many frames of reference were you using? An outcome is still a singular event; the WTC is still gone, for example.


4 posted on 10/03/2012 4:41:29 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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and the cat can be dead and alive at the same time... feh
5 posted on 10/03/2012 4:41:55 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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If a video game programmer can code superposition into a game what would it look like? And of course our Creator can easily “code” superposition into our existence. (If you haven’t guessed already.. I know nothing about physics and very little about science in general.)


6 posted on 10/03/2012 4:45:06 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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“But if we believe that quantum mechanics governs all phenomena...”

The key phrase. Quantum mechanics is an attempt to explain the behavior of subatomic particles and the forces that act upon them. If the theory works, it’s provisionally true. But this doesn’t mean we understand quantum behavior as it really is, just that we have an explanation of the quantum behavior that we have observed in experiments, which is an infinitesimally small proportion of all quantum behavior.


7 posted on 10/03/2012 4:45:12 PM PDT by oblomov
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So it’s “Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice” or “Alice & Carol & Ted & Bob” depending on your “perspective”...


8 posted on 10/03/2012 4:45:37 PM PDT by mikrofon (Quantum Strangeness)
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This reminds me of Borges’ masterful “Tloen, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius”:

http://www.coldbacon.com/writing/borges-tlon.html


13 posted on 10/03/2012 4:55:30 PM PDT by oblomov
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So should I get a Obama phone or not?


14 posted on 10/03/2012 4:56:25 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Ignorance is bliss- I'm stoked)
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it is possible to conceive situations in which a single event can be both, a cause and an effect of another one.

Any married guy could have told you that.

23 posted on 10/03/2012 5:18:10 PM PDT by Raycpa
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34 posted on 10/03/2012 5:56:49 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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Quantam crap is total horse manure.


35 posted on 10/03/2012 6:03:12 PM PDT by SolidRedState (I used to think bizarro world was a fiction.)
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Many atheists are atheists because they think science explains everything and that we will eventually be able to explain everything.

Quantum mechanics throws a monkey wrench into that idea.

I am positive a conscious observer of some kind was required to bring the universe into existence. Nothing occurs in the quantum universe without a conscious observer. Calling that observer "God" would not be outrageous.

38 posted on 10/03/2012 6:29:36 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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sounds like the author of the Harry Potter books was on occasion not writing about “magic” but instead reflecting quantum physics (whether she realized it or not)

the more humans know, the larger becomes the body of knowledge we are aware that we don’t know

the “undiscovered” universe (that portion of creation we either have no knowldge of or no understanding of or admittedly incomplete understanding of) seems to keep expanding as fast as what we do know grows - like peeling an onion with infinite layers


39 posted on 10/03/2012 6:40:42 PM PDT by Wuli
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Tardis Express: When it absolutely, positively has to get there yesterday!
41 posted on 10/03/2012 9:31:11 PM PDT by ADemocratNoMore (Jeepers, Freepers, where'd 'ya get those sleepers?. Pj people, exposing old media's lies.)
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Ah, so the math is finally showing them that time has variable expressions, not merely linear. The planar nature of temporal reality has been right before them for a long time, in the phenomenon of quantum non-locality. Wait until they discover the volumetric nature of time. That should ruffle their ‘e’ ...


42 posted on 10/03/2012 10:30:00 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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“When I was a graduate student, I proved the temporal order of events was relative; i.e., whether event A precedes event B or B precedes A in time depends on the frame of reference of the observer.”

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I taught a class in intro relativity and quantum mechanics for two semesters. When it came to that stuff I needed to stick strictly to the book or I would confuse myself due to that problem so much that it was really a danger that I would completely mess up my students. Frame of reference stuff seems like it should be so elementary until you start really getting into it, then it can become impossibly obtuse.


43 posted on 10/03/2012 11:03:08 PM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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Either way, THE UNIVERSE IS INSANE!

That explains a lot doesn't it? LOL

46 posted on 10/04/2012 12:34:24 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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